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Discussion Of Brands And Ingredients / Re: B.F.F.
« Last post by Pookie on January 13, 2018, 12:44:39 PM »
From what I remember, you can get away with using tuna the way you're doing it, CatGirl.  The issue is with making it a regular part of the rotation (as a main food) or ONLY feeding that protein and nothing else.  So I think you're fine doing what you're doing.  It's not like you plan to use it all the time.   Hug1
Medical Issues / Re: ASU awarded $6.4M grant to test preventive cancer vaccine for dogs
« Last post by Pookie on January 13, 2018, 12:43:02 PM »
Didn't read the link, but my first thought was, "Or you could just stop pushing garbage as "food" and reduce the vaccines.  I bet that would go a LONG way to reduce the number of cancer cases in pets."   2cents
GENERAL DOG CARE / Re: Vet Recommended RAID
« Last post by Lola on January 13, 2018, 11:40:13 AM »
I agree, Catgirl!  I was floored when the guy told me his vet recommended Raid.  I'm glad you brought this thread back to the top.  I don't see this guy mixing water and ACV.  With summer right around the corner, I think I will buy him the Fly Off stuff.  It might not be the best, but it has to be better than Raid!  I think he will use it at least. 
Raw Feeding / Re: Catgirl64's Journey To Raw Feeding
« Last post by Middle Child on January 13, 2018, 09:39:51 AM »
I only just saw the part about J.  I'm so sorry you are dealing with that.  yes, very stressful for you both, and the furkids too.  Hug1 Hug1 Hug1 Hug1
Raw Feeding / Re: Catgirl64's Journey To Raw Feeding
« Last post by Middle Child on January 13, 2018, 09:38:42 AM »
The more often you do it, the quicker they will get used to it. Well you know that of course.  ;)  Some cats have a natural primordial pouch, some don't.  Mazy cat and Queen Eva both have an udder.  Queen Eva is extremely slender and always has been, and she has one. Mazy cat came with it, when I adopted her at about 6 months old.

Jennie, on the other hand doesn't have that sag at all.  Which is odd, because she had at least 3 litters (vet estimate based on the condition of her uterus at spay). And was overweight for a short time when I was still adjusting her canned food amounts her first and second year with me.

I think making today your base point and working from here is a good idea.

I've found that it can take a long time for weight changes to show, when making a dieit reduction or addition.

For instance when I first started feeding raw Jennie did start to plump up again.  I reduced her intake and there was no change for about a month, and then suddenly she seemed to be dropping an ounce a week, and I panicked and put her intake back up.  Conversely it took another month before the weight loss stopped, she stabilized, then she started going back up again.

I have to constantly adjust Jennie's intake. I don't know why. Maybe it has something to do with her metabolism, because she's had pregnancies?  . 

Mazy cat and Queen Eva, both spayed before 6 months, stay stable.
Raw Feeding / Re: Catgirl64's Journey To Raw Feeding
« Last post by Catgirl64 on January 13, 2018, 08:51:47 AM »
How is the weighing going?

The ugly truth is that I have been very lax about weighing.  Did it just now, and I am probably going to treat these weights as a starting point.  The problem is, until a cat settles down inside the carrier, the display fluctuates by several ounces, and I think I have just now really gotten the hang of figuring out which one is accurate. 

It does look like some of them have gained a wee bit, except for Jeoffry.  I think he has lost an ounce or two.  This pleases me, as he was the most overweight when we started out.  I have weighed Jenny a few times since my first post about the new scale, because I was really afraid of her not eating and getting fatty liver.  She seems to be doing well. 

I may need to cut down on what I feed, but I think that some of the gains are due to the fact that the cold weather, which has gone on and on, is keeping the cats from spending much time on our screened porch, which is their usual playground.  I am ordering some new toys for them, so I can give them more exercise indoors.     

I do wonder one thing.  Do formerly fat cats ever lose that saggy look around their bellies?  It makes it more difficult to tell if they are getting more fit, and just have some remaining loose skin down there, or if they still need to lose more.  The fact that the heavier cats all have long hair makes it even more difficult.   

I need to do a better job at regular weigh-ins, but I have to say, I've got a lot of other things on my plate right now.  J recovered from the flu alright, but her gait, balance, and fine motor skills have been deteriorating recently.  She is terrified, as am I, but that anxiety only makes things worse.  We were at the doctor's office Thursday for this, and she has three more visits to see if we can find out the cause.  I may end up being a caregiver, as well as a cat parent, and other than making sure everyone is fed, this had been occupying most of my mental energy lately.

Weights as of this morning:

Jeoffry - 15 lb., 10 oz.

Jenny - 11 lb., 14.6 oz.

Truman - 16 lb., 7.7 oz.

Lucy - 7 lb., 15.1 oz.

Violet - 8 lb., 1.4 oz.

Mouse - 8 lb., 6.7 oz. 

Based on eyeballing alone, I would say that Lucy and Violet are at a good weight.  I think Mouse is getting a bit too pudgy.  She does not have the lanky build that Violet does, but she is also a smaller cat, although not by much.  Jeoffry is losing, slowly, and I am pleased.  I don't know what to think about Truman.  Other than that saggy belly from when he was fatter, he looks good.  Not sure about Jenny, either.  She also has the sag, but does not feel heavily padded on her back and ribs.  She is the one most in need of improved muscle mass.  She seems both thin and fat, if that makes any sense, but I do see signs of improvement with the new diet.

Raw Feeding / Re: Catgirl64's Journey To Raw Feeding
« Last post by Middle Child on January 13, 2018, 07:54:42 AM »
How is the weighing going?
Discussion Of Brands And Ingredients / Re: B.F.F.
« Last post by Catgirl64 on January 13, 2018, 05:32:35 AM »
I know that tuna is problematic, and I really debated with myself about it, but I will admit that I got some of this food to drizzle over or lightly mix with raw when someone is reluctant to eat (new protein source, blander protein source, etc.)  I'm talking about maybe half of a 3 oz. packet, divided between six cats in the course of a day, if that.  It has worked well as a sort of "seasoning," and has been particularly helpful with Jenny, was the most reluctant of all the cats to accept raw.  One thing I do like about it is that the consistency makes it difficult for the cats to pick out little pieces and leave the raw food behind.  I have nine pouches left, and am hoping I won't need any more when they are gone.  I'm doing some research now, to see if I can find something more suitable if more "bribe food" is needed at that point.
GENERAL DOG CARE / Re: New Tennessee Law Allows People to Save Pets From Hot Cars
« Last post by Catgirl64 on January 13, 2018, 04:38:33 AM »
I don't think anything would stop me, anyway, but it's good to know this! 
GENERAL DOG CARE / Re: Vet Recommended RAID
« Last post by Catgirl64 on January 13, 2018, 04:24:26 AM »
I refuse to use Raid.  Just being around that stuff gives me a terrible headache, so I can only imagine what it must do to a dog's sensitive nose.  Using it around animals seems bad enough, but to use it ON one?  That vet should have his license yanked.   >:(
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