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General Discussion / Re: Smoking - Quit Date
« Last post by Lola on December 13, 2018, 07:30:33 PM »
Thanks for the info!  I copied and printed.  :)
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GENERAL CAT CARE / Re: Jennie has been diagnosed with carcinoma (cancer)
« Last post by Lola on December 13, 2018, 07:28:26 PM »
Sorry the CBD oil didn't work out.  Glad you will be able to return it!
Jennie and Queen Eva staring you down... cute!
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GENERAL CAT CARE / Re: Jennie has been diagnosed with carcinoma (cancer)
« Last post by Pookie on December 13, 2018, 04:45:31 PM »
Thanks for the update!  Love the pics -- Jennie looks like she's smiling at you, as if she's thinking "If I smile, maybe she'll give me more."  Queen Eva, on the other hand, looks like she's sending you subliminal messages . . . "You WILL give me more . . . You WILL give me more . . . "

 funny2
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GENERAL CAT CARE / Re: Jennie has been diagnosed with carcinoma (cancer)
« Last post by Middle Child on December 13, 2018, 04:21:09 PM »
Oh no MC. That's not the desired effect for Jennie.  :'(

How's the gorgeous girl doing today?

Yeah, it wasn't nice.   It's not going to work for me or Jennie.  I had my doubts all along as you know. Thankfully I can return it for a refund.

Jennie is doing very well thank you! As long as I keep her meds on time she is comfortable and happy and Herself. She is taking the Cerenia nightly, the gabapentin every 8 hours, and so far she is only needing the buprenorphine 24 hours and 38 hours after the piroxicam. The 2nd dose is new, she was only getting it the 24 hours after.  But now I notice by mid afternoon on the second day (just before the piroxicam is due again) she needs a little help.  So I've gone to the evening and the next morning now.

For instance she gets the piroxicam at 5:15 pm (every 48 hours).  The next night she gets the bupe at 5:15 pm instead and then again the next morning around 7:30, before I leave for work.  A little later if it's the weekend.

Her appetite is terrific but she and Queen Eva had some of my baked boneless pork loin chops the other night, well it was the fat trimmings, which they both went crazy over, and Queen Eva handled it okay, but it has made for some really smelly moments for Jennie.  It gave her some gas too, so she won't be getting any more diet variations.

I just ordered her buprenorphine from Road Runner pharmacy though so that is good news. The original place the vet tech tried to hook me up with never followed up.  then when I tried to get on their website my firewall blocked it saying the site wasn't secure.  As I tried to find out more information I came across some very scary reviews about the place messing up dosages and things like that.  So i went with my gut and contacted the tech again and told her I didn't want to use them and could I use Road Runner.

Apparently she had sent me to the first one because the last time they checked Road Runner didn't have the buprenorphine. (there was a shortage a couple years ago I remember) Lucky for me and Jennie, they have it now. A three month supply for $75.00 shipped straight to my post office. (I have to sign for it because it is a controlled substance). Whew.

PS Here they were hoping for more pork trimmings as I sat and enjoyed my supper.  funny2
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GENERAL CAT CARE / Re: Jennie has been diagnosed with carcinoma (cancer)
« Last post by Woodland Girl on December 13, 2018, 01:58:07 PM »
Oh no MC. That's not the desired effect for Jennie.  :'(

How's the gorgeous girl doing today?
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General Discussion / Re: Smoking - Quit Date
« Last post by Pookie on December 12, 2018, 08:15:00 PM »
The good news is:  I found the course material.  The bad news is:  there wasn't much, and most of it focused on alcohol and street or pharmaceutical drugs.   :(  That said, some of it did mention smoking, and for all addictions the basic recommendations were as follows:

B vitamins (as mentioned above.  BTW, they are water-soluble, so the body will excrete what it doesn't absorb.  They can be taken in the morning and again at lunch, but since they provide energy, it may not be a good idea to take them near bedtime or they may keep you awake).

Vitamin C for immune support and to help with detoxing.  Also water-soluble.

Essential Fatty Acids to nourish the brain

Hydrating with lots of clean water -- helps to flush the toxins out of the body

Detoxing (milk thistle is good for the liver, which is the main organ for filtering everything the body takes in; also vitamin C and hydrating as previously mentioned)

Eliminating sugar, white flour, etc. from the diet

Eating protein (small meals) several times a day to keep blood sugar steady


Personally, I'd just focus on the B vitamins, vitamin C, hydrating, etc. and not worry quite so much about the last 2 on the list, or it could get really overwhelming.  That's just my  2cents.  I'll stop now.  :)

GoodVibes GoodVibes GoodVibes  FlowersGif
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General Discussion / Re: Smoking - Quit Date
« Last post by Middle Child on December 12, 2018, 05:41:19 PM »
Interesting. Niacinimide is being used in cats with CKD to reduce phosphorous levels.

Good Luck Lola. I hope this time it sticks. Having someone to quit with makes all the difference.  Hug1
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GENERAL CAT CARE / Re: Jennie has been diagnosed with carcinoma (cancer)
« Last post by Middle Child on December 12, 2018, 05:34:14 PM »
Cute picture of Jennie in the sun beam.  Her hair looks good too!  :)
How is she doing today?
Not to drive you nuts, but I am curious... have you decided if you are going to give her the CBD oil?
You also mentioned that YOU would be trying it.  That peaked my interest as well.   ;D


I am not going to give Jennie the CBD based on my own reaction to the single dose I took.  I didn't care for it at all. Granted I took a full dose of their highest concentration. But no where does it advise you to start slow.

I took it mid afternoon.  I was unable to SHUT MY BRAIN OFF the entire night in bed. And the next day I had icky intestinal issues and felt very dizzy and odd until well into the evening.

The funny part is, it tastes just like pot.  funny2

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General Discussion / Re: Smoking - Quit Date
« Last post by Pookie on December 12, 2018, 11:52:34 AM »
I had a couple minutes so I did some quick Googling:

http://www.thesmokingcure.com/blog/which-supplements-help-with-quitting-smoking

https://www.verywellmind.com/can-vitamin-supplements-help-me-quit-smoking-22396

From the link above:

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Niacin (Vitamin B3)
Niacin is chemically similar to nicotine, and in fact, its name was changed from nicotinic acid to niacin to avoid confusion between the two substances. Again, no studies have proven that Niacin can help smokers quit, but there has been some speculation that niacin eases nicotine addiction. The theory is that the vitamin attaches to the niacin receptor sites in the brain (which are taken up by nicotine in smokers) in the same way that opiates take up the endorphin receptors in the brain in opiate addicts. Large doses of niacin can result in liver damage and other health complications, so you'll need to talk with your physician before adding a supplement to your diet.

I’ve never heard that large doses of niacin can result in liver damage, and I don’t know what’s being considered “large doses” in this article.  I personally take 500 – 550 mg of niacinimide every day to prevent the dizzy spells that started in my early teens, and I get that over the counter, so my guess is that’s not considered a “large” dose.  Niacinimide is a similar form of niacin, and unlike niacin, it doesn’t trigger the “flushing” (think hot flash) that niacin does.  The body converts niacin to niacinimide.

And one more:

http://www.newmediaexplorer.org/sepp/2012/01/25/does_smoking_tobacco_fulfill_a_nutritional_need.htm

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Nicotine has long been accepted as the addictive portion of tobacco products, but what is apparently little known is that nicotine and niacin (vitamin B3) are analogues.

According to Google’s dictionary, the chemical definition of an “analogue” is “a compound with a molecular structure closely similar to that of another.”

It’s always recommended that if you take 1 specific B vitamin, e.g. niacin/niacinimide, to also take a b-complex to keep the B’s from getting too out-of-balance in the body.

By the way, B vitamins are also helpful for depression.  The nervous system really “needs the b’s.”  :)
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Cat Chatter / Re: ShadowCat
« Last post by ThreeStep on December 12, 2018, 07:13:45 AM »
The night went well with ShadowCat between me and my side of the bed. ChaCha curled around my legs. How can that be comfortable? Izzi had to keep tabs on SO. It is her human thus her job.

About 3/4 of a can for the aunties and 1/2 can plus kibbles for Izzi plus seconds. ChaCha went to her hammock infront of the fireplace and returned everything, spread it nicely. Why? She vomits when she is stressed out or mad. Believe me, she gives the look that says haha got you. No playing, no excitement, no change in routine, just a normal weekday morning. ???
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