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Pet Foods for Behavior?!
« on: October 13, 2017, 10:07:50 PM »
NOTE:  This can also go under the Dog section.

While at my favorite health food story today, a woman came in and long story short, mentioned that her recently deceased kitty had been on food for anxiety.  And I thought, "Anxiety?  They're making foods to treat behaviors now?"

Well, I just Googled and sure enough, Royal Canin has a kibble for calming dogs and cats. 

https://www.royalcanin.com/products/vet (and click on "Calming Support" or go here):

https://www.royalcanin.com/products/vet/calming-support

I looked at the ingredients for the feline version and, of course, they're awful.  A LOT of grains/carbs.   :( bangshead   Gee, what a shocker. 

There's also "Recovery Support" for "nutritional support" after surgery, illness or trauma, and  . . . wait for it . . . VEGETARIAN food for dogs.  Oh, but wait!  There's more:  "multifunction" food to take the "multiple choice dilemma out of which diet veterinarians can recommend."  https://www.royalcanin.com/products/vet/multifunction

Oh, and it gets better:  It's not just Royal Canin.  Hill's has a combination food for urinary care and stress:  http://www.hillspet.com/en/us/products/pd-feline-cd-multicare-stress-with-chicken-dry

They also have "multicare" diets like Royal Canin, and for dogs, "brain aging care" and "urgent care" (similar in concept to the "recovery support."

Dr. Becker has an article about these diets.  I haven't had a chance to read it yet, so I can't comment on it:  https://healthypets.mercola.com/sites/healthypets/archive/2016/07/12/manage-cat-stress.aspx

Just when I thought I'd seen/heard it all from the PFI, they come up with this stuff.  OMG, I can't stand it.  I'd ask "what will they think of next?" but I really don't want to know.  UGH.   bangshead bangshead bangshead bangshead bangshead bangshead
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Re: Pet Foods for Behavior?!
« Reply #1 on: October 13, 2017, 10:31:01 PM »
If they can figure out a "health concern" that has enough of a population with it, they'll make some garbage and tell the people that it solves their problem for them.
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Re: Pet Foods for Behavior?!
« Reply #2 on: October 14, 2017, 07:29:15 AM »
Yeah, what a crock, eh?  There are a few in the UK forum I frequent who use that  RC  garbage. These pet food manufactures will capitalize on anything. You can't the people who "swear by" those foods either, that while diet does play a very large role in behavior, if you feed your cat what he was meant to eat, eliminating grains and sugar, and al the other fillers, you'll find you have a much happier cat.  Then if he still needs help, you can use Rescue Remedy or Zyklene (zyklene is big in the UK)

Nope, nope "This food works and my cat needs it".

Sure, until al the other health problems start, then, some will begin to understand their mistake, but most will just run through the alphabet of those so called foods to "fix" the newer problems that were created by poor diet in the first place..

Someone with a raw fed IBD cat and a new kitten was starting raw right off the bat for the kitten.  The vet told this person she should feed the kitten "grocery store dry food so when she's older and needs a prescription diet she'll already be used to it".

Vets are the bad guys in this outrage because they are the ones who push the food. Profit before health has replaced "Do No Harm".

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Re: Pet Foods for Behavior?!
« Reply #3 on: October 14, 2017, 11:07:03 AM »
Yeah, what a crock, eh?  There are a few in the UK forum I frequent who use that  RC  garbage. These pet food manufactures will capitalize on anything.

RC is the brand that thinks that dried out chicken feather "soup" is a fine and dandy source of protein. They break it down into a slurry of sorts and then they dry it into meal.

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MEB: Your Anallergenic formula uses chicken feathers as the main source of protein. Sounds pretty counterintuitive. How did you come up with the idea?

This product was ten years in development, and designed to address a very specific need. Some dogs have intense allergic reactions to certain kinds of proteins. Conventional wisdom was focused on limited ingredient diets – fewer ingredients that would minimize the chances of an allergic reaction. But some dogs would not respond even to these diets. Anallergenic takes it a step further – through a completely different source of proteins.

We have a team in France that is traveling the world to find ingredients. In this case it’s feather meal. It’s not only nutritious but can also be made very palatable to dogs. Feathers are broken down to an amino acid level and don’t have much of a taste. Then we add palatizers for taste. In this case, we have to be very careful not to provoke an allergic reaction. That’s why it took so long to develop this particular food. We’re looking for lots of different sources of protein for our foods: hydrolyzed soy; we are currently researching worm meal as a potential protein source for some of our foods in China. I tried some kibble made with worm meal once – it tasted very good. So our approach goes way beyond feathers. https://www.forbes.com/sites/marcbabej/2013/05/29/dog-food-made-from-feathers-a-win-win-for-royal-canin/


You know, from all of my observance of My Cat From Hell and other pet shows, most cats and dogs would act just fine and dandy with some proper food, training, exercise, and vigorous play time so that their issues were worn out of them instead of asking for an easy fix. Then if that doesn't fix things, a good veterinary workup including extensive blood work and a home visit by a training specialist to see if THEY think something more is wrong with the animal.

Instead, all these people these days want an easy "fix," and they don't want to hear that pets are work.
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Re: Pet Foods for Behavior?!
« Reply #4 on: October 17, 2017, 05:01:06 PM »
RC is the brand that thinks that dried out chicken feather "soup" is a fine and dandy source of protein. They break it down into a slurry of sorts and then they dry it into meal.


You know, from all of my observance of My Cat From Hell and other pet shows, most cats and dogs would act just fine and dandy with some proper food, training, exercise, and vigorous play time so that their issues were worn out of them instead of asking for an easy fix. Then if that doesn't fix things, a good veterinary workup including extensive blood work and a home visit by a training specialist to see if THEY think something more is wrong with the animal.

Instead, all these people these days want an easy "fix," and they don't want to hear that pets are work.

Yep.  Diet is everything. Problem is so many animals were born sick because of the diet their mother was eating, and the diet HER mother was eating...it's been trickling down for animal generations.

We’re looking for lots of different sources of protein for our foods: hydrolyzed soy; we are currently researching worm meal as a potential protein source for some of our foods in China. I tried some kibble made with worm meal once – it tasted very good. So our approach goes way beyond feathers.





My gosh. It boggles the mind. Instead of trying to feed them what they should eat, to imporve their health, lets find even more things to make them sick.

After all, if pets are healthy, Royal Canin loses money.

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Re: Pet Foods for Behavior?!
« Reply #5 on: October 17, 2017, 10:18:51 PM »
And today, don't I see an ad for Royal Canin for "breed specific" dog food, like for Chihuahuas . . . "exclusive small kibble shape adapted for tiny jaw."  Come to think of it, I have seen ads where they differentiate between a Golden Retriever and a Laborador Retriever, but I just changed the channel or hit the "mute" button when it came on.  Sorry, but (just my opinion), there is not THAT significant of a difference between the two breeds when it comes to diet.  Feed raw to both, and chances are pretty good they'll thrive.

https://www.royalcanin.com/products/dog/breed-nutrition   UGH.    Doh1  bangshead bangshead bangshead bangshead bangshead bangshead

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Re: Pet Foods for Behavior?!
« Reply #6 on: October 18, 2017, 09:15:40 AM »
And today, don't I see an ad for Royal Canin for "breed specific" dog food, like for Chihuahuas . . . "exclusive small kibble shape adapted for tiny jaw."  Come to think of it, I have seen ads where they differentiate between a Golden Retriever and a Laborador Retriever, but I just changed the channel or hit the "mute" button when it came on.  Sorry, but (just my opinion), there is not THAT significant of a difference between the two breeds when it comes to diet.  Feed raw to both, and chances are pretty good they'll thrive.

https://www.royalcanin.com/products/dog/breed-nutrition   UGH.    Doh1  bangshead bangshead bangshead bangshead bangshead bangshead




Oh yeah. They'd have people believe that their breed is "special" with different needs. "Product philosophy of precise nutrition for size, lifestyle, breed and therapeutic condition."

About the only different needs I know of breeds having nutritional differences is small, large, and giant breeds when they're puppies. The large and giant breeds absolutely need their calcium/phosphorus kept at a more specific level from other dogs to keep their skeletal growth at a specific rate. Too much calcium can cause problems. This helps prevent joint issues that are much more common in larger, heavier breeds. If you're going to feed kibble, then it needs to be for large breed puppies.

The biggest problem with these specific formulas is that not every dog of the same breed is the same size nor do they all live the same lifestyle. So, anyone buying into that buzzword garbage isn't thinking for themselves at all.



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