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Cats => Cat Food And Nutrition => Discussion Of Brands And Ingredients => Topic started by: Mo on July 01, 2011, 04:58:49 PM
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Although I do not personally feed Tiki Cat, I would like to give a shout out to them thumbsup1
I contacted them to ask what the carb amount was for their food. In their reply, they recommended that I read the book Your Cat: Simple Secrets to a Longer Stronger Life by Elizabeth Hodgekins, DVM!!! That has to be a first that a pet food company recommends a book like that :)
BTW, they were unable to provide the carb content as of yet, though it will be available next quarter. It sounds like they are in the process of adding new flavors, as well as testing the carb content of all their foods.
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That's incredible!! I'd definitely want to do business with this company, wow! So went & checked out their foods and the chicken one looks especially good!
I was really amazed when I was debating (on another forum) that Carbs weren't listed on the "good" foods when looked them up. Could have sworn carb content listed was pretty standard in the past... interesting.
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Although I do not personally feed Tiki Cat, I would like to give a shout out to them thumbsup1
I contacted them to ask what the carb amount was for their food. In their reply, they recommended that I read the book Your Cat: Simple Secrets to a Longer Stronger Life by Elizabeth Hodgekins, DVM!!! That has to be a first that a pet food company recommends a book like that :)
BTW, they were unable to provide the carb content as of yet, though it will be available next quarter. It sounds like they are in the process of adding new flavors, as well as testing the carb content of all their foods.
thumbsup1 thumbsup1 to Tiki Cat (http://www.petropics.com/)
I've heard good things about the food. I've never checked into much, due to it only being available in smaller cans.
As far as Dr. Elizabeth Hodgkins, several cat owners I know got her book for a Christmas gift last year. :)
http://www.amazon.com/Your-Cat-Simple-Secrets-Stronger/dp/0312358016
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Wow that is something :O....geesh why cant I get it her in Canada?? Grr!!!!! :(
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I don't know why, but stores around me that carry Tiki Cat only carry the fish flavors :'(
Also, I wish it were available in bigger cans...
cat3
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My cats all love the Tiki Cat -my aunt also feeds her dog some of the Tiki Dog. I wish it came in larger sizes too as it would be more cost effective. Compare Amazon to your local store as they do sell it and some of it will ship Prime if I remember correctly. I buy the Weruva on Amazon though once in awhile one of my local stores sells it slightly lower per can than the Amazon case price breaks down to be.
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My cats all love the Tiki Cat -my aunt also feeds her dog some of the Tiki Dog. I wish it came in larger sizes too as it would be more cost effective. Compare Amazon to your local store as they do sell it and some of it will ship Prime if I remember correctly. I buy the Weruva on Amazon though once in awhile one of my local stores sells it slightly lower per can than the Amazon case price breaks down to be.
I have purchased pet food (canned) from Amazon. More often than not, the prices were very reasonable and I got free shipping (for spending over $25.00)...and no tax. The ONE thing I do worry about is... now that the weather is warmer, the food reaching extreme temps while in transit. Although I have no idea where the food is stored before being shipped.
Thanks for all the recommendations for Tiki cat. The feline meals are usually one large (13 oz-ish) can and one smaller (5 oz) cans, so I will definitely be giving it a try. I don't know why more companies don't have the larger cans available...doesn't the average household have more than one feline?
Here's the ingredients and info for the chicken:
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"I don't know why more companies don't have the larger cans available..."
They make more money selling the smaller cans -- people have to buy more, and the smaller cans are more expensive to begin with.
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Tiki cat now has 6 ounce cans. bananamiddlechild
The website lists the Tiki Cat chicken as Zero Carbs!
When I started looking it up, the first place I checked was Amazon and was so shocked at the price, it cost more than the Rad Cat Frozen raw, ounce for ounce.
As some of you know, I have started some raw feeding, but I am still looking for canned foods to add to the rotation, especially as I use up the ones that have carrageenan, as I will not be re-purchasing those brands.
After spending some time checking a lot of websites I found the lowest price I could, and with a half off shipping promotion, purchased two (8 6 ounce cans per case) cases of the Tiki cat chicken. I cluding the cost of shipping, I paid 40 cents an ounce.
I hope they like it. :)
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They sure don't have many non-fish choices! :( On the plus side, no carrageenan in the chicken flavor. I may give it a try.
They have Tiki dog food also...didn't know that.
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Yes, and they haven't had the chicken for very long I don't think. I only just found out about the chicken. I always thought they had only fishy foods.
I think it's an outrageous price to pay for a canned food, but it will be one more food I can put into the rotation that doesn't have carrageenan OR menadione OR a high carb count. It's that high carb that's frustrating me. Weruva and Soulistic, while no carrageenan or menadione, are 22% or more, carbohydrate. :(
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They have Tiki dog food also...didn't know that.
I think it's an outrageous price to pay for a canned food,
I'd never heard of Tiki before so I looked it up out of curiosity, and by my calculations, my dogs would need a case of the larger cans every 4 days if that was to be full-time food.
With all the ingredients they're not used to, I can easily see an occasional treat of it upsetting some tummies; but, that's way too expensive for me for full-time feeding. Mine are just going to have to have to stick with raw food and like it. I love them, but SHEESH!
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Yes, and they haven't had the chicken for very long I don't think. I only just found out about the chicken. I always thought they had only fishy foods.
I think it's an outrageous price to pay for a canned food, but it will be one more food I can put into the rotation that doesn't have carrageenan OR menadione OR a high carb count. It's that high carb that's frustrating me. Weruva and Soulistic, while no carrageenan or menadione, are 22% or more, carbohydrate. :(
No carrageen, menadione and low carbs...I'm getting more convinced to try the chicken. Well...not me, the pets. Bumpurr1
Didn't realize Weruva was so high in carbs. How the heck did I miss THAT. bangshead I've been feeding a lot less of it lately, but will cut down even more now.
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I'd never heard of Tiki before so I looked it up out of curiosity, and by my calculations, my dogs would need a case of the larger cans every 4 days if that was to be full-time food.
With all the ingredients they're not used to, I can easily see an occasional treat of it upsetting some tummies; but, that's way too expensive for me for full-time feeding. Mine are just going to have to have to stick with raw food and like it. I love them, but SHEESH!
All wet for 6 cats and 2 dogs... well, I pretty much work for pet food. Bumpurr1
I often tell people...feed them wet NOW, while you only have one. Otherwise the cost is SHOCKING, when making the transition.
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All wet for 6 cats and 2 dogs... well, I pretty much work for pet food. Bumpurr1
I often tell people...feed them wet NOW, while you only have one. Otherwise the cost is SHOCKING, when making the transition.
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No carrageen, menadione and low carbs...I'm getting more convinced to try the chicken. Well...not me, the pets. Bumpurr1
Didn't realize Weruva was so high in carbs. How the heck did I miss THAT. bangshead I've been feeding a lot less of it lately, but will cut down even more now.
I didn't know either, until Dr Pierson's list came out. My Tiki chicken should be here tomorrow. I got such a good price on the shipping I wish I ordered more than the 16 cans. Oh well, there is always another deal.
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I just gave Pookie a can of the chicken and egg today for the first time. He doesn't seem to care for the egg, and I'm having to put a topper on it to get him to eat it. :( I was SO hoping he'd like it so I could add it to the rotation. My specialty store will be carrying it soon, so that would make things easier. The store where I bought this flavor only had the fishy flavors and this.
For the next 1-2 weeks, my plan is to give him food without carageenan. His bottom lip, on both sides, tends to look like it's curling inside out, and some days are worse than others (some foods I give him have carageenan, some [Instinct] don't). I'm suspecting the carageenan may be the problem, so we'll see how this goes. But trying to find a canned food without that stuff is NOT easy, and I'd prefer to not be dependent on just 1 brand. :(
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Hey, thanks for reminding me! I'm going to check with that store I found who said they will get the Rad Cat in for me, and see if they might be able to order some Tiki Cat, the chicken only. Still though...it does annoy me, I thinki Tiki WAY over charges for their food, and the names of the food are impossible. So....maybe not.
Yes, finding foods without carrageenan is hard, especially if you have other ingredients on the black list, as I have many, LOL. I've learned to compromise on some things, since I DO feed a rotation of forms of food and brands, but not on carrageenan. I think we have a thread here with lists of carrageenan free foods.
That is interesting about Pookie's lip and the possible connection to carrageenan. Keep us posted on that. My last girl who was eating carrageen foods is doing SO MUCH better now. I slipped and gave her some Merrick before grain the other day, and wouldn't you know the next day she was scooting across my bed sheets.
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My last girl who was eating carrageen foods is doing SO MUCH better now. I slipped and gave her some Merrick before grain the other day, and wouldn't you know the next day she was scooting across my bed sheets.
I'm so sorry, but I have to funny2. That'll teach you! :D
Thanks for reminding ME about the carageenan thread. I totally forgot about that! *sigh* I just wish he wasn't so darned picky . . .
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Quick update about Tiki Cat:
Duck, Beef, and Turkey varieties will hit stores in the fall.
Also, the Fish/Seafood in Tiki cat MIGHT actually be okay to feed, since it is in deboned cutlets. Most fish catfood contains the bones, which is where the magnesium and other problematic minerals come from. Tiki supposedly is low enough in phosphorus/magnesium that even the fish flavors can "safely" be fed to kidney kitties. Tiki cat is manufactured and canned in a human food facility alongside food intended for human consumption. The cans do not contain BPA, BPF, BADGE, BFDGE or NOGE in the lining. Each batch is tested for quality before being shipped out, and if you email them they happily hand over the test results without batting an eye.
I bit the bullet and purchased some as emergency food for Amber. I also got a case (8 6oz cans) for my Mom's Kitty to give him a break from the Hound & Gatos. I wish I could afford to feed him Tiki exclusively, but it is very expensive (which I understand, given the quality) and until the other flavors hit the shelves, would not give enough variety because I haven't done enough research to be convinced the fish flavors are REALLY okay, especially for a boy cat.
Oh, and one more thing people should know:
Bora Bora Luau, Hanalei Luau, Tahitian Grill & Makaha Luau are labeled for supplemental feeding only because they do not meet AAFCO's K3 requirements. The other flavors do meet the requirements. Petropics changed the label on those varieties rather than add menadione to the food.
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Thanks, Amber! :-* :-* :-* HeadButt HeadButt HeadButt
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Thanks for the info, Amber!!!
I can only remember two reasons why I don't feed it... 1. Too many fishy flavors and 2. The price. YOWSIERS.
If I just had one or two cats... maybe.
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My biggest gripe aside from the price is the names of the foods. It's just too darn confusing to purchase, when you don't know what a food is. Call it chicken or beef, for crying out loud.
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Well well. I see when I first posted in this thread I mentioned I had ordered some cans of this from a website that had a sale and shipping promo going.
Well they sent me the wrong thing, (a fish flavor) so I never used it. Long story short I got my money back because even though they do insist it was my mistake ordering the wrong product, the CSR I was dealing with was so rude to me her partner gave me a refund. (it's a very small on line retail store)
ANYway fast forward to now, and my worry about TC's weight gain, took her to the vet for blood work, and her cholesterol is high (so is SK's) I can't cut her food back any more, she is already eating ONLY 3.3 ounces of food a day (canned and raw)
So in desperation I decided to try again on the Tiki, because it is extremely low in fat (and no carbs) She will be the only one eating it because the other two have always had issues with foods made in Thailand.
They have two chicken varieties now, I ordered some of each. I still think the price is outrageous but I console myself that the Tiki can be TC's version of Rad Cat.
Anyway I opened my first can of Tiki cat this morning. I am not impressed. It SMELLS LIKE FISH. Supposedly, other than "fish oil" (and the type not identified) there is no fish in it.
Not to mention on the top of the can the food looks "fresh", but on the bottom it looks nasty.
But I so need her to have one low fat food in the rotation, I guess I will persevere. At one can a week, what I bought will last half a year, anyway.
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How is it that SK and TC have gained weight, and have high cholesterol numbers, with what you feed?
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The vet is not concerned with the high cholesterol, and I've read some pages that say it isn't a big concern in cats.
The weight gain: I've come to the conclusion that they are getting too much fat, and perhaps not enough exercise. It's been hot and I have been under a lot of stress, lame excuses, but at 7 1/2 and 9, they need more incentive to run and play.
The fat....the By Nature Organic canned is 27% fat on a dry matter basis. With the improved nutrition from the raw, if they are going to eat high fat canned food, they are going to need less of it. Raw fed cats can be too heavy, if they get too much and not enough exercise.
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After I buy 100 cases, you tell me it is high in fat. lol
Thanks for the cholesterol info. :)
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LOL Lola, well I wouldn't say the By Nature Organic is "high fat" certainly not higher than many other comparable brands and lower than quite a few (based on Dr Pierson's list).
The reason it became a problem for TC is the raw portions of her daily diet are so much more 'bio-available' that she ends up needing less food altogether, unless I reduce the amount of fat she is getting over all. So I am hoping the Tiki Cat can do that for her, so she can have a bit more to eat every day than 3.3 ounces.
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MC, Hi,
How is the TikiCat working out? Is it stil looking nasty @ the bottom?
And did you try the chicken, and/or the chicken with the egg one?
I looked just now and didn't see any beef or new flavors yet, but will keep an eye out (? later in the Fall) Crossing fingers for duck... do you like any other foods with duck? Don't wanna go with any fish.
I can't go raw (not my cat :>(
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Well well. I see when I first posted in this thread I mentioned I had ordered some cans of this from a website that had a sale and shipping promo going.
Well they sent me the wrong thing, (a fish flavor) so I never used it. Long story short I got my money back because even though they do insist it was my mistake ordering the wrong product, the CSR I was dealing with was so rude to me her partner gave me a refund. (it's a very small on line retail store)
ANYway fast forward to now, and my worry about TC's weight gain, took her to the vet for blood work, and her cholesterol is high (so is SK's) I can't cut her food back any more, she is already eating ONLY 3.3 ounces of food a day (canned and raw)
So in desperation I decided to try again on the Tiki, because it is extremely low in fat (and no carbs) She will be the only one eating it because the other two have always had issues with foods made in Thailand.
They have two chicken varieties now, I ordered some of each. I still think the price is outrageous but I console myself that the Tiki can be TC's version of Rad Cat.
Anyway I opened my first can of Tiki cat this morning. I am not impressed. It SMELLS LIKE FISH. Supposedly, other than "fish oil" (and the type not identified) there is no fish in it.
Not to mention on the top of the can the food looks "fresh", but on the bottom it looks nasty.
But I so need her to have one low fat food in the rotation, I guess I will persevere. At one can a week, what I bought will last half a year, anyway.
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CC: keybor is broken (some letters not working) will reply when I pick up n externl keybor this weeken.
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thanks MC :)
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I bought both formulas of Tiki chicken, but have only opened one so far, the Tiki Puka Puka Luau. I really resent having to type those stupid names. Every can is the same, nice shredded chicken in broth (not heavy gravy) but at the bottom of the can there is a blob of some soft substance that both looks and smells like tuna fish. The food is doing the job I bought it for, which was to help TC lose weight, then keep it off while feeding her a little more (she is only getting 3.3 oz a day of canned and raw combined)
But I resent paying so much for a food that really isn't any more superior than any other 'high end' food. It's all a gimmick, just like all the others.
It will be interesting to see if the other chicken formula also contains a blob of fish in it. Obviously they do that to make it cheaper to manufacture. Fish is not on the label though, so they are breaking truth in labeling laws.
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Ingredients: Chicken, Chicken Broth, Sunflower Seed Oil, Fish Oil. Show Vitamins & Minerals
From: http://www.petropics.com/PukaPuka.htm (http://www.petropics.com/PukaPuka.htm)
That sunflower seed oil could have been hydrogenated and became a solid. It might have combined w/the fish oil for the smell that came from the glob of whatever. They might use the hydrogenated form to make the "sauce" thicker.
Whenever I see a vegetable/plant oil listed in a food, I never assume it was put in in the liquid form. I always think, "I wonder if it was the hydrogenated form?"
http://wellnessmama.com/2193/why-you-should-never-eat-vegetable-oil-or-margarine/ (http://wellnessmama.com/2193/why-you-should-never-eat-vegetable-oil-or-margarine/)
Edit: Think "shortening" when you think of hydrogenated. And we all know now this stuff isn't good for us to cook with: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crisco (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crisco)
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HMMMM, thanks Dee! Your thoughts only confirm my suspicion that this food is way over priced and way over rated. I never liked the sunflower oil in it in the first place. But the zero carbs and low fat are helping TC lose and maintain a healthy weight, so I feel kind of....stuck..with it.
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But the zero carbs and low fat are helping TC lose and maintain a healthy weight, so I feel kind of....stuck..with it.
I know it's dog food, but I tried this canned with Barkly when he was alone after we lost Dannyboy (ended up giving it to the neighbor b/c was just another canned experiment with a refusal to eat it), but I don't think there are any gums or anything else in it--just a bunch of minerals & vitamins listed as added:
http://www.onlynaturalpet.com/products/Newmans-Own-Organics-Grain-Free-Canned-Dog-Food/144064.aspx
You'd have to do more research, but I think their beef is free-range from Uruguay. I'm not sure if that would work with that amount in fat though. It's 4.5% when the tiki is 2.0%. There's no taurine in it listed either. :-( But might not hurt occasionally.
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Thanks for that link, DeeDee. I noticed they sell food by the can, and not just the case. I know some people that will help a LOT!
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HMMMM, thanks Dee! Your thoughts only confirm my suspicion that this food is way over priced and way over rated. I never liked the sunflower oil in it in the first place. But the zero carbs and low fat are helping TC lose and maintain a healthy weight, so I feel kind of....stuck..with it.
MOST foods are over-rated. IMHO We choose the lessor of the evils, when feeding our pets. >:(
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I know it's dog food, but I tried this canned with Barkly when he was alone after we lost Dannyboy (ended up giving it to the neighbor b/c was just another canned experiment with a refusal to eat it), but I don't think there are any gums or anything else in it--just a bunch of minerals & vitamins listed as added:
http://www.onlynaturalpet.com/products/Newmans-Own-Organics-Grain-Free-Canned-Dog-Food/144064.aspx
You'd have to do more research, but I think their beef is free-range from Uruguay. I'm not sure if that would work with that amount in fat though. It's 4.5% when the tiki is 2.0%. There's no taurine in it listed either. :-( But might not hurt occasionally.
What I find "interesting" (and has nothing to do about the current topic) about Newman's Own pet food. The dog food has sooooo much less carpy stuff in it... compared to the cat food.
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What I find "interesting" (and has nothing to do about the current topic) about Newman's Own pet food. The dog food has sooooo much less carpy stuff in it... compared to the cat food.
Oh, they've got some of the others besides those 3 cans that are full of grains, etc. I've looked and looked though, and there are SO many cat foods that have other things added in them. I wonder why they think all those gums & things are necessary?
Are those chicken Tikis the only ones without a ton of seafood & junk?
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Oh, they've got some of the others besides those 3 cans that are full of grains, etc. I've looked and looked though, and there are SO many cat foods that have other things added in them. I wonder why they think all those gums & things are necessary?
Oh, I know they have more dog food options. But there are NO options (IMHO) in their cat food line. Among other things, the majority (if not all) contain fish. I dunno... I just expected better.
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Lola I agree with you about the Newman's Own cat foods, but thanks for trying Dee. Even though I could supplement with taurine, I just don't like the idea of feeding cats food made for dogs.
Yes, the two chicken formulas are the only non fish formulas in the Tiki Cat. The food is made in Thailand, which is a big fishing area, so the fishy foods are a bit cheaper, but I won't feed my cats fish, or any food that contains fish.
They do get KRILL oil every other day.
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Thanks soooo much for the insight!! HeadButt HeadButt HeadButt HeadButt HeadButt HeadButt
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Got a few cans of Tiki chicken today. It reminds me of the Weruva Paw Lickin' Chicken. Roxy gave it a thumbs down. Everyone else liked it.
Weruva:Chicken (Boneless, Skinless, White Breast), Water Sufficient For Processing, Potato Starch, Sunflower Seed Oil, Dicalcium Phosphate, Xanthan Gum, Choline Chloride, Taurine, Vitamin E Supplement, Zinc Sulfate, Thiamine Mononitrate (Vitamin B1), Nicotinic Acid (Vitamin B3), Ferrous Sulfate, Calcium Pantothenate, Vitamin A Supplement, Potassium Iodide, Manganese Sulfate, Vitamin D3 Supplement, Copper Sulfate, Riboflavin Supplement (Vitamin B2), Pyridoxine Hydrochloride (Vitamin B6), Folic Acid, Vitamin B12 Supplement.
Tiki:Chicken, Chicken Broth, Sunflower Seed Oil, Fish Oil.
Dicalcium Phosphate, Choline Chloride, Taurine, Vitamin E Supplement, Zinc Sulfate Heptahydrate, Ferrous Sulfate Monohydrate, Thiamine Mononitrate (Vitamin B1), Nicotinic Acid (Vitamin B3), Calcium Pantothenate, Vitamin A Supplement, Potassium Iodide, Manganese Sulfate Monohydrate, Vitamin D3 Supplement, Copper Sulfate Pentahydrate, Riboflavin Supplement (Vitamin B2), Pyridoxine Hydrochloride (Vitamin B6), Folic Acid, Vitamin B12 Supplement.
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All those foods made in Thailand look the same, Weurva, Soulsitic, Petite Cuisine and Tiki. The chicken ones, at least, which are the only ones I've ever tried, and I've tried the chicken in all those brands now.
The main difference between the Tiki and Weruva is the carbohydrates. Weruva always has some kind of starch, like potato or tapioca. It has a very heavy gravy, whereas the liquid in the Tiki is thinner, like a consommé.
I haven't opened the Tiki chicken "with egg" yet. I'm still working on the one with the name that starts with Puka.
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Since Weruva makes Soulistic for PetCo... makes sense they are similar. I tasted the Weruva (plain chicken one) and it definitely had a STRONG starchy taste. It didn't taste anything like it looked! Bumpurr1 I didn't taste test the Soulistic.
I do like Weruva Paw Lickin' Chicken, for the low carb count (3)...and no unnecessary fruits and veggies included. AND I actually like the company and their ethics. It is just too pricey, for me, to feed it to 7 .... on a regular basis.
Petite Cuisine.. is it made by Purina/Nestle... or is the Founder just from Purina?
PS: I edited my other post to correct the ingredients of the flavor I fed... Puka Puka Luau
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Puka Puka Luau - no carrageenan. That's HUGE. I'm going to give some serious thought about adding it into the rotation.
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By the way, the Tiki Puka chicken tastes MUCH better than the Weruva Paw Lickin' chicken. :D
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Did you find the lump of grayish fishy smelling stuff in the Puka? It's in every can I've opened. I am satisfied with Dee's theory on that, but I still don't like it.
You are brave to taste the food!
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The only thing I saw was a small glob that reminded me of chicken grease. No fishy smell either. If it had smelled fishy, you can bet your butt i would not have taste tested it. lol
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How is the Tiki going Lola?
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I just had a few cans that someone gave to me. It wasn't a huge hit, but it wasn't a total bust either. I am sure, with some effort, I could get them all to eat it. But...It is pretty pricey (IMHO), especially for chicken. Also very pricey to feed it to 7 felines.
Are you feeding it to yours?
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Only one cat gets Tiki. Yes it is way over priced for a CANNED food, and they are a bit sketchy to contact. But since I started Jennie (TC) on .9 oz of Tiki a day (until the can is used up, then that's it for the week, one can a week) she has finally lost the weight she needed to lose, and I am able to feed her slightly more food each day.
Other than the ridiculous price, the main reason I don't feed it to the other two is because both of them seem to have trouble with cat foods that come from Thailand. Jennie doesn't but Mazy (SK) and Queen Eva (Little Cat) have never been able to tolerate Weruva, Petite Cuisine, or Soulistic, so I haven't even bothered to try them with Tiki. Besides, those two get Rad Cat, which Jennie does not.
But I think I will stick with the Tiki for Jennie. She needs at least one low fat food in her rotation.