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Title: Litter box liner experiment
Post by: Middle Child on December 02, 2012, 12:27:15 PM
I recently read a review of a different form of litter box liner, made from paper. Frustrated with scraping cement off the bottom of litter boxes, then a long soak to remove the rest, before I can wash them, and since I had a promotion, I decided to try them, though I chose a less expensive brand than the one being reviewed.  The promotion was not directly related to the litter boxes, but it saved me $10 which made the boxes almost free.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000MD3MDW/ref=oh_details_o03_s00_i00

As is my habit, I didn't use them right away.  I had to mull things over for a few weeks.  They seem a bit small and...well I don't like to mess with their litter boxes too much, but I am getting desperate to make life, including litter box clean up, easier on myself.

I've been told that the reason the bottom of my boxes get so dirty is because I don't put the litter in deep enough.  But since I am compulsive about a weekly dump and scrub, I can't bring myself to go deeper than 3 inches, and even that gets lower as the week goes on. I just can't see throwing away so much litter.

Anyway back to the liners. So as I was ruminating on the paper liners, it occurred to me why can't I use cardboard?  Goodness knows I get enough of it, since I order all my cat food, and many other things, on line.

So today is the day.  When I put down the fresh litter boxes, in the large high sided sterilite container I put in a portion of a cut up box.  It fits tight in the bottom, with one flap going up one side.  I may eventually keep the flaps on both side, but I want to start slow.  In one of the regular litter boxes I put one of the liners.  The other regular litter box I left unlined.

The plan is to see how long each lasts, as far as odor starting up.  The cardboard, since I have a never ending supply of it,  can be changed out as often as needed, just dump out the litter, put in fresh cardboard, then put the litter back. The pre-shaped liners could be used the same way, but of course, they cost me (though are eligible for subscribe and save).

I will be reporting on this as it goes along.

Does anyone else use any kind of litter liner?
Title: Re: Litter box liner experiment
Post by: Lola on December 02, 2012, 02:34:19 PM
We have a few different brands of litter boxes.  The ones that are "infused with Microban for resistance to mold, mildew and odor-causing bacteria" ... never have issues with the cement situation.  

The other boxes, I put 4 or 5 inches of litter in them...rather then the recommended 3 inches.  The cats can't scratch to the bottom to make cement.

I also think Precious Cat litter contributes to less cement issues.  

I rotate cleaning boxes.  I keep records, and all boxes are numbered.   ;D  Example; Boxes 1 and 2... I allow the litter to get lower than the norm.  I then pour the litter into boxes 3 and 4.  Boxes 1 and 2 get completely scrubbed and washed and all new litter.  The following week, I do the same with 2 other boxes.  I next to never have to throw out any litter.  

Okay, so I didn't answer your liner question... just explained why we don't need any.  :)




Title: Re: Litter box liner experiment
Post by: Middle Child on December 11, 2012, 06:46:45 AM
Things are moving along here.  The cats apparently LOVE the boxes with the liners. The unlined boxes are hardly used, (well, the fourth one, under the platform is never used) they really like both lined boxes.

The one lined with cardboard was getting kind of soaked on one edge so I dumped out the litter, had to wipe out the box, because I hadn't left a high enough edge and pee and litter was on it's way to forming cement, then I put in a new box liner with higher edges.

 The paper formed liner is starting to stick a little in this, it's second week of use. I may continue to use a combination of both the paper bought ones and plain cardboard, I do like those formed ones, and the cats do too. The unlined boxes are getting very little use. Well the fourth one never gets any use at all (it is under the platforms), but the middle one on the platform usually gets used a lot.

Cardboard in high sided (tote) box
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bought formed paper liner in regular sided box
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Title: Re: Litter box liner experiment
Post by: Middle Child on December 11, 2012, 06:47:31 AM
We have a few different brands of litter boxes.  The ones that are "infused with Microban for resistance to mold, mildew and odor-causing bacteria" ... never have issues with the cement situation.  

The other boxes, I put 4 or 5 inches of litter in them...rather then the recommended 3 inches.  The cats can't scratch to the bottom to make cement.

I also think Precious Cat litter contributes to less cement issues.  

I rotate cleaning boxes.  I keep records, and all boxes are numbered.   ;D  Example; Boxes 1 and 2... I allow the litter to get lower than the norm.  I then pour the litter into boxes 3 and 4.  Boxes 1 and 2 get completely scrubbed and washed and all new litter.  The following week, I do the same with 2 other boxes.  I next to never have to throw out any litter.  

Okay, so I didn't answer your liner question... just explained why we don't need any.  :)



What kind of litter boxes do you use?  I mean, specific brand? I like you system. :)
Title: Re: Litter box liner experiment
Post by: Lola on December 11, 2012, 09:18:22 AM
The ones that I like, that have non-stick issues, are these:  http://www.petco.com/product/104878/Petmate-Deluxe-Enclosed-Litter-Pan.aspx?CoreCat=MM_CatSupplies_LitterBoxes


Made in the USA.
I remove the door flaps.  
Jumbo size.

I don't like the thought of having used litter hang around too long.  It looks and smells clean, but...
Title: Re: Litter box liner experiment
Post by: Middle Child on December 11, 2012, 10:16:42 AM
The ones that I like, that have non-stick issues, are these:  http://www.petco.com/product/104878/Petmate-Deluxe-Enclosed-Litter-Pan.aspx?CoreCat=MM_CatSupplies_LitterBoxes


Made in the USA.
I remove the door flaps.  
Jumbo size.

I don't like the thought of having used litter hang around too long.  It looks and smells clean, but...

Wait a minute...but if you do as described above, you always have some used litter in the boxes, right? Or am I misunderstanding what you mean?

I can't stand not dumping all the litter and putting in fresh every week.   This going two weeks is a major trial for me.
Title: Re: Litter box liner experiment
Post by: Lola on December 11, 2012, 01:31:25 PM
Wait a minute...but if you do as described above, you always have some used litter in the boxes, right? Or am I misunderstanding what you mean?

I can't stand not dumping all the litter and putting in fresh every week.   This going two weeks is a major trial for me.

I'll use last week as an example.  All litter was dumped into two boxes.  All the other boxes were cleaned and totally new litter was put in.  One (or two, depending on the amount of use) box will pretty much always have used litter. 

I next to never add new litter to old.  The few times I have...using Precious cat litter, I can't tell the new litter from the old. With other brands of litter, I could DEFINITELY see (and smell) the difference between old and new litter.   

Like you, I used to throw out all used litter when I cleaned the boxes.  I couldn't stand the thought of used litter hanging around for more than a week.  Since using Precious Cat Litter... it is such a huge difference... I no longer have issues keeping old litter from one week to the next.  AND the cats don't prefer new over used either.  I don't think the cats' paws are any dirtier (using litter boxes) than the dogs' paws... when they go outside to go potty and come back in. 

I have had people come into my home, and say they are shocked that 7 cats live here.  I think if my house stunk, people would say nothing... rather than go with a compliment that is a lie. 
Title: Re: Litter box liner experiment
Post by: Middle Child on January 12, 2013, 09:57:17 AM
Time for an update on this.

I have tried two different brands of formed recycled paper liners, the Nature's Miracle brand large, and the Kitty Wonder Box, medium. Though the Nature's Miracle size large is $10 more (for the same number) and claims it's sides are 6.5 inches high, the fact is the NM size large boxes are only 3.5 inches high, and a half inch narrower than the Kitty Wonder Boxes. So I will stick with the Kitty Wonder Box medium, for my regular sized litter boxes for now, though I will keep looking.

For the large tote litter boxes I needed something else. I had tried just lining them with cardboard (boxes, cut to fit) but this was only partially successful.

The sides of the box pieces I was using were sometimes shorter than was practical, meaning when the girls do their stand up and pee routine in the high sided box the pee and subsequent litter would get behind the edge of the liner, making a mess and smell underneath. Also, there was some overlapping of box edges, the between of which, again because of the stand up pee-ers, would get wet and smelly.

When my next order of liners came they came in a box that seemed to almost fit the large litter box. My brain got to whirling a bit.....I wondered if I could wet the box and re-shape it, you know-mold it to the litter box shape.

doesn't quite fit
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once wet, (with the flaps torn off) it was made to fit
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because of the 'gap' between the two flaps on the bottom of the box, I cut another piece of cardboard just the right size and inserted it, also wet, in the bottom.  I don't know yet whether this will be dug up by the cats when in use or not.  I will report when it is used.

Final result
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As you can see above, one end kind of..buckled, and doesn't fit flush to the box side.  This also might be a problem, as Jennie is an avid side scratcher.  So next time I do it, during the molding step, I will put a stack of other litter boxes in it, to keep the sides pushed back.
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  OR, I just realized, I could get one more of the high sided tubs, and use it as the top of the mold. But I'll try the stack of litter boxes I already have first.  No point in buying another box that I really don't need, limited space being what it is in this apartment.

Any other ideas about helping the cardboard mold to form are welcome.

So I will use the formed recycled paper liners in the regular sided boxes and the home made cardboard liners in the large boxes, and my days of back breaking rinsing scraping, scrubbing, drying and airing are over.

PS I've discovered that those pre-formed paper liners can go a whole month without any odor starting. bananamiddlechild  Time will tell, on the home made liners. Plastic boxes start stinking in about 10 days.

PS the savings in amount of litter used (with fewer dump and scrubs), not to mention the bleach, soap and vinegar used to clean and rinse them, I think may even out or even over-compensate for the cost of the liners. Let's see, the liners, if I only have to change them out once a month, will cost $6 a month.

Since, in my old method,  I was going through a jug of litter a week (at $6.99 a jug), and the new method, with only starting new litter once a month, just topping off the boxes when needed,  I am using only a jug every two weeks, yep, there is savings!

Old method:  Litter used = $28 a month, and back breaking work every week.

New method: Litter used = $14 a month, liners =$6 a month. Total monthly cost $20 total monthly savings: $8. (not counting soap, bleach and vinegar use, not to mention hot water)  And no back breaking work. Whoo hoo!
Title: Re: Litter box liner experiment
Post by: Lola on January 12, 2013, 11:10:13 PM
I assume the cardboard doesn't stink, or you wouldn't be doing it.  But I can't figure out why it wouldn't stink.  Doesn't urine soak in right away?

Title: Re: Litter box liner experiment
Post by: Middle Child on January 12, 2013, 11:32:47 PM
I have a friend who works in a box factory and he told me that most shipping boxes are treated with moisture repellant (it is non-toxic, has to be, because they don't know if the boxes will be used to ship food, when they are made).  My first two tries with cardboard did not start to absorb urine or smell until about the 2 week point.  (The pre-formed paper boxes last much longer that that.) which is still longer than the plastic litter boxes.  I can smell the plastic ones in 10 days, or less.

  BUT I didn't think of this until my cardboard knowledgeable friend mentioned it, soaking the cardboard to shape it would wash off much of (if not all) the moisture repellant treatment. I haven't used that liner yet.  But that would simply mean that I would have to change out the home-made ones more often.  It still will be less work than dumping and scrubbing those boxes every week.  That job has really become brutal to me in the past year or so.  I'm just not as young as I used to be.

If I could find a size of those pre-formed paper boxes to fit the large tote litter boxes, I would find a way to afford them. But I have to keep one tall sided box for the girls who like to stand up and pee against the sides.  They do it only in the high sided box, not the low sided ones, the considerate things!
Title: Re: Litter box liner experiment
Post by: Lola on January 18, 2013, 09:29:10 PM
NOT saying I am right... I know we both have some quirks.   ;D  BUT... I'm thinking I would prefer keeping litter around for two weeks, rather than cardboard. 
Title: Re: Litter box liner experiment
Post by: Middle Child on January 19, 2013, 09:41:36 AM
Well, don't lose sight of what I am trying to do.  It's not about how much litter is used or for how long it is used before it is replaced.  I'm trying to reduce my work load.  Plastic litter boxes start to stink in 10 days.  At least in my house they do.  So I am compelled to dump and scrub weekly.  This is really hard work. Now that I use clumping litter, the crusts that form on the plastic boxes are extremely hard labor to remove, even with a weekly dump and scrub. So now, while the clumping litter reduced the amount of work involved in the scooping part of the chore, it has made the dump and scrub job even harder.

The cardboard is an effort to find an effective liner for the large tote box litter boxes.  The pre-formed paper ones, while smaller than I like, are working fine for the normal sized boxes. They don't absorb moisture at all, and stuff doesn't even stick to the bottom of them for the first three weeks, and there is zero odor from those boxes, even after three weeks. Cardboard, if I could find a method that I was happy with, could be changed out weekly if needed.  Just dump the litter, replace the cardboard, and put the litter back in.  The cardboard (if I don't soak it first) is quite moisture resistant actually, for about one week. 

But I can't find a way to make the cardboard fit in a way that doesn't just make more work.  I mean, there are always gaps or overlaps that litter and pee get stuck into, making even more work.

There doesn't seem to be a litter liner large enough to fit the large tote boxes. I am feeling very discouraged about the large box.  This morning I spent several hours working with cardboard and the litter box trying to figure out away to make an intact cardboard liner. I just can't come up with anything. So it looks like I will be continuing to dump and scrub the large box weekly.  And the plastic just smells so.  WHY doesn't one of these companies make a formed paper liner that fits large boxes?  There is one "jumbo size" made by Nature's miracle but it has odd indents in it that it seems would make them more trouble than they are worth.  I'm not going to pay a fortune for something that isn't perfect, and Nature's Miracle really gouges for their paper liners.

According to their website Kitty's Wonderbox makes a jumbo, but I haven't found it available anywhere.  Plus it is decribed as having a "fresh herbal scent" which causes me to be inclined to NOT use it. I don't like things with scents, and don't know why they would add a scent to it.

Their contact us form doesn't work.  So exasperating. PS the phone number doesn't work either.
Title: Re: Litter box liner experiment
Post by: Lola on January 21, 2013, 08:02:20 PM
Remind me why you use the plastic totes.  The reason I ask is... a change in the kind of litter and/or plastic tote/litter box could eliminate the sticky crusts you are having issues with. 
Also, I wash all the litter boxes, but I do so because I know they are dirty...not because I can smell them.  And I am extremely sensitive to smells. 

Just trying to come up with an easier plan for ya!  :)
Title: Re: Litter box liner experiment
Post by: Middle Child on January 21, 2013, 08:41:44 PM
I use the large high sided totes for the stand up pee-ers.  Two of my girls like to stand up and pee against the sides of the box. Well, they used to stand up and pee...and the pee went everywhere.  Once I gave them the tall sided boxes, when they want to do the stand up routine, they use the tall sided box.  When they use the other boxes they squat normally.

I love the pre-formed paper liners.  If only they were a little bigger, even for the regular boxes.  And if only I could find one large enough to fit the tote litter box.

I use Cat's pride "natural" clumping litter.  No scent and no dust.  Clumps about as well as any other I would imagine, with the possible exception of Dr Elsey's Precious Cat, but I have no source for that, or I would try it. However I've heard it's dusty?  One of the reasons I love the Cat's Pride Natural is because there is NO dust.

Even constant daily scooping,  with weekly, or bi-weekly dump and scrub, rotation of boxes so each set has a week to 'rest' and replacing boxes once a year, those plastic boxes still stink.  At least, to my mind they do. It's not the litter that smells, it's the box.

Could it be my cleaning methods?  I use bleach and laundry detergent for soaking and scrubbing.  Then after the final rinse I soak them in white vinegar for a little while before one more rinse. Air dry.
Title: Re: Litter box liner experiment
Post by: Lola on January 24, 2013, 02:14:44 PM
I have one female that potties pretty high up on the sides sometimes.  She is what keeps me from buying the metal litter boxes.  The sides are pretty low. 

Noooooooooooooooooo, Precious Cat Litter is not dusty at all.  The non-dust factor was the FIRST thing that sold me on it. 

Your cleaning methods sound prettttty darn thorough.  I was thinking maybe it is the kind of plastic the totes are made of... maybe.   :-\  We have some plastic litter boxes that stink much faster than others.

By the way, I thought of you today... while I was scrubbing out a few litter boxes.   Bumpurr1
Title: Re: Litter box liner experiment
Post by: Middle Child on January 25, 2013, 07:38:47 AM
All the plastic litter boxes smell after a week.  Doesn't matter if they are the totes or the ones "special treated to resist bacteria and odor".  They all smell.  The pre-formed paper boxes do not smell.  I have two right now that have been in use for a month, and there is no odor from them. I love those paper liners.  I wish someone would make them a bit larger, and a lot larger.

My home made molded to fit cardboard liner was not a success, but it didn't smell either, even after two weeks, but it was so torn up I had to throw it away.
Title: Re: Litter box liner experiment
Post by: Middle Child on March 01, 2013, 07:49:17 AM
I have arrived at my final solution to the litter box liners.  I LOVE the formed paper liners and have found a brand that makes a "jumbo" size for the high sided tote litter box.

I now use the Wonder Box (http://www.amazon.com/Kittys-Wonderbox-W-00003-1-WonderBox-Medium/dp/B000MD3MDW/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1362282333&sr=8-1&keywords=wonder+box) size medium for the regular litter boxes and the Nature's Miracle size jumbo (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0087Y5OIE/ref=oh_details_o05_s00_i00?ie=UTF8&psc=1) for the high sided box. I also tried the medium size Nature's Miracle box but was not happy with it for a couple of reasons. It is even smaller than the WonderBox for one reason, and isn't as durable.

Though the Nature's Miracle product is not as long lasting as the WonderBox I have been unable to find the WonderBox in their jumbo size though their website does say they have one. Anyway, the description says it has a "fresh herbal scent" and I am not too keen on scented products, so it's just as well.

The medium WonderBox is a bit small but the cats seem to manage okay with it, and of course they have the high sided box for when they want to stand up and pee (SK and TC)

I place the liners in the litter boxes.  Since the liners are a bit small, it actually works okay because the litter box catches overflow litter, then I can just lift out the liner and pour the litter back into it.

These paper litter box liners last a month or longer with no odor. I let one WonderBox go 7 weeks, just to test and it was only in the last week or so that I started to notice any odor and the paper started to tear up from the bottom a bit.

I keep track of what liner was started when.  When a fresh liner is started, the litter from the old liner gets poured into the box with the next oldest liner and fresh litter is put in the new liner. (a method I copied from our own Lola) So I am not dumping out a ton of litter every week any more either. I have gone from one jug of clumping litter a week to one a month or less, a savings which more than pays for the liners!

I am very happy with the new litter box regimen.  That dumping and scrubbing, and the smell of the plastic boxes was just getting to be too much for me. No more dumping and scrubbing, and no more smelly plastic, for me, ever!

bananamiddlechild bananamiddlechild bananamiddlechild
Title: Re: Litter box liner experiment
Post by: Lola on March 02, 2013, 09:44:05 PM
All the plastic litter boxes smell after a week.  Doesn't matter if they are the totes or the ones "special treated to resist bacteria and odor".  They all smell. 

We will have to agree to disagree.   HeadButt
Title: Re: Litter box liner experiment
Post by: Lola on March 02, 2013, 09:54:05 PM
Sounds like you found a great plan, with the use of liner boxes.   ;D  Glad you posted the links... I was thinking liners... like the kind that are plastic... like garbage bags kinda. 
Title: Re: Litter box liner experiment
Post by: Middle Child on March 02, 2013, 10:49:26 PM
We will have to agree to disagree.   HeadButt

I don't know why my boxes always smelled after a week when no one esle ever seemed to have that problem.  I'm wondering now if it was my habit of using bleach.  Bleach is so corrosive, perhaps it just broke down the plastic so much the smells would just..stick.


Sounds like you found a great plan, with the use of liner boxes.   ;D  Glad you posted the links... I was thinking liners... like the kind that are plastic... like garbage bags kinda. 

Thanks for fixing my links.  I am THRILLED with these paper liners. Just THRILLED!

I never saw any point to the plastic ones and never considered even trying them.
Title: Re: Litter box liner experiment
Post by: Lola on March 02, 2013, 11:00:10 PM
I don't know why my boxes always smelled after a week when no one esle ever seemed to have that problem.  I'm wondering now if it was my habit of using bleach.  Bleach is so corrosive, perhaps it just broke down the plastic so much the smells would just..stick.


Thanks for fixing my links.  I am THRILLED with these paper liners. Just THRILLED!

I never saw any point to the plastic ones and never considered even trying them.

Do your cats scratch the litterbox bottom and/or sides?  Maybe the bleach and the scratching..  ??  
Title: Re: Litter box liner experiment
Post by: Middle Child on March 03, 2013, 06:50:37 AM
They do scratch.  But don't all cats?  ;D

Anyway, I have to work hard at not feeling guilty for using these liners and making more trash for the landfills. But they ARE made from recycled paper and they ARE biodegradable. And they have improved MY quality of life immeasurably.
Title: Re: Litter box liner experiment
Post by: Lola on March 03, 2013, 07:03:41 PM
They do scratch.  But don't all cats?  ;D

Anyway, I have to work hard at not feeling guilty for using these liners and making more trash for the landfills. But they ARE made from recycled paper and they ARE biodegradable. And they have improved MY quality of life immeasurably.

Ours scratch, but they don't reach the bottom of the litter boxes...the majority of the time.  Only one "washes" her paws (for 20 minutes, its seems) on the inside of the boxes.  The rest just pretty much "wipe" their paws in the door way ... and move on. 

I think the liners, you are using, are as green as you can get! Personally, I would be guilt free.  I have a question... is it possible that potty could get directly on the liner?  If so... then what do you do? 
Title: Re: Litter box liner experiment
Post by: Middle Child on March 03, 2013, 07:56:44 PM
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is it possible that potty could get directly on the liner?  If so... then what do you do? 

You mean for instance when pee soaks through the litter, or when they dig a pile of litter, then pee next to it, straight on the box? The paper liner is not really absorbent. It's no different than if the pee was on plastic, except...the paper doesn't smell.

One time even Mazy puked in the litter box and it hit the side of the box.  I wiped it off, and it wiped clean. Only a couple of times has poop been up against the side of a paper liner, that also wiped clean.

I definitely prefer the quality of the WonderBox over the Nature's Miracle. The WonderBox liners last for weeks, I had one in use for 7 weeks.  The Nature's Miracle brand is starting to shred a little already after only 3 weeks. No odor yet at least.  Unfortunately, the Nature's Miracle is the only brand I can find in the Jumbo size, for the tall sided tote box litter box.
Title: Re: Litter box liner experiment
Post by: Lola on March 03, 2013, 09:49:51 PM
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You mean for instance when pee soaks through the litter, or when they dig a pile of litter, then pee next to it, straight on the box? The paper liner is not really absorbent. It's no different than if the pee was on plastic, except...the paper doesn't smell.

Yes, that is what I meant.  Didn't realize you would be able to wash/wipe the paper liner, like you can a plastic litter box.  Interesting. 
Title: Re: Litter box liner experiment
Post by: Middle Child on March 03, 2013, 09:51:50 PM
Well I don't wash it, exactly.  Just wipe it really well with a bounty paper towel. If something has dried on it might not come off so easy, but I am a bit ocd about litter boxes, not much gets a chance to dry before I am there removing it.  :D
Title: Re: Litter box liner experiment
Post by: Middle Child on February 27, 2015, 08:19:55 AM
I was wondering how long I had been using these litter liners, so I looked up this thread.  Still using them, still really really REALLY happy with them.

I change them out on average, every 6 weeks.

bananamiddlechild bananamiddlechild.
Title: Re: Litter box liner experiment
Post by: Lola on March 08, 2015, 05:46:56 PM
If you and your cats are happy.... we are happy FOR you!  :)