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Raw Feeding / Re: Catgirl64's Journey To Raw Feeding
« Last post by Catgirl64 on Today at 02:18:50 PM »
I would recommend stop mixing the foods together.  Feed them the canned and chicken separate.

I've never been a fan of mixing.

I understand your concern, but getting rid of the dry and not relying on it is a good thing.  You will know who is eating what because you are not free feeding any more.  Keep a journal and record meals, times fed, who ate, who finished, who didn't, and so on.

In my opinion, routine, consistency, is the most important thing to a cat.  Changing up on them randomly is not effective, at least, not in my point of view.  I would feed canned meals at certain times each day and the home prepared meals at certain times each day, gradually (when you are ready) increasing the number of home made meals and decreasing the canned servings.

Okay, I will try that.  It will be helpful, in terms of knowing who is accepting the homemade and who is more reluctant to eat it.

No question about the dry.  No one ate it anyway, in fact, one cat tried to bury it. 

I did return what I had left of the Fromm.  Something in that brand of canned did not agree with them at all.  One cat even threw up.  Got some Lotus and Weruva instead.  I have fed these before, and they were well-received.  I will make a batch of full-on homemade today, and see how they do with it, alternated with the cans. 

I am determined to see this through, it's just kind of scary sometimes, when I think they are not eating enough.   
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Raw Feeding / Re: Catgirl64's Journey To Raw Feeding
« Last post by Middle Child on Today at 01:15:32 PM »
I would recommend stop mixing the foods together.  Feed them the canned and chicken separate.

I've never been a fan of mixing.

I understand your concern, but getting rid of the dry and not relying on it is a good thing.  You will know who is eating what because you are not free feeding any more.  Keep a journal and record meals, times fed, who ate, who finished, who didn't, and so on.

In my opinion, routine, consistency, is the most important thing to a cat.  Changing up on them randomly is not effective, at least, not in my point of view.  I would feed canned meals at certain times each day and the home prepared meals at certain times each day, gradually (when you are ready) increasing the number of home made meals and decreasing the canned servings.
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Cat Chatter / Re: Cat Pancakes. . .
« Last post by Catgirl64 on Today at 10:07:21 AM »
They're too pretty to eat though:



Oh my!  I was expecting to see pancakes in the shape of cats, but rather like a child's cutouts or something.

I think eating those would make me feel almost mean.  (Yeah, I'm goofy.)
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Raw Feeding / Re: Catgirl64's Journey To Raw Feeding
« Last post by Catgirl64 on Today at 09:34:00 AM »
Well, I mixed some real chicken with cheap canned food last night.  They ate some of it, but I ended up having to throw some out, too.  Offered some of the better canned straight during the night, but they were not hungry.

This is making me a little nervous.  They are eating, but not as much as I am used to seeing them eat, and they don't all mob me in the kitchen when they hear the cans being opened anymore.  Could this be because they are getting used to food that has less filler, and don't need as much to be satisfied?  I admit that in a moment of panic, I even offered them a little bit of dry, but they wouldn't touch it.  I started throwing most the kibble out - not just taking it away from them or putting it up, but actually putting it in the trash - yesterday, but still had some left.  I think getting rid of it altogether scares me.   :-[   I may have told this story before, but years ago (long enough that it was a whole different group of cats), I tried to switch to canned, and before I knew it, I had a rather secretive cat who, unbeknownst to me, had stopped eating altogether and ended up with fatty liver.  It took a huge vet bill and a month of tube-feeding to get her healthy again.  I know ditching kibble, and eventually all commercial food, is better for my cats, but I probably never would have worked up the courage to try again had this lot not taken a sudden dislike to what I was giving them.  Still...I get a little freaked out to this day any time a cat does not seem hungry. 

Cats are my life, but dogs are so much easier to get on real food. 
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WELCOME! / Re: Welcome lwon615
« Last post by Pookie on December 17, 2017, 09:38:41 PM »
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WELCOME! / Welcome lwon615
« Last post by DeeDee on December 17, 2017, 08:50:06 PM »
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Discussion Of Brands And Ingredients / Re: What Wet Brands Do You Feed ...And Why?
« Last post by lwon615 on December 17, 2017, 07:27:18 PM »
I feed a brand called Rawz. Rawz is a small company that has only had their cat canned food out for just over a year (not sure how long they've had dog food). I feed it because it is all meat and they don't use any commercial gums or carrageenan. One of my kitties had diarrhea from commercial gums and I had to find a food without it. Rawz uses fenugreek seeds, and they're canned food is about the same price as other premium foods. Unfortunately, they don't have very much selection when it comes to flavors because they are such a small company. They steam cook their food, and it is less processed than most other foods. Even their dry food is better than most out there. It's kind of expensive though. I know we don't like dry food, but I have one cat who likes to have a dry food snack before bed. He has been on a kibble diet his whole life (previous owners made him a dry food addict). I am all for feeding an all canned or raw diet if you can, but I feed my cat 75% wet/25% dry and I am ok with that. When I first tried Rawz, my cats ate it so fast. Now I think they're a little bored with it, I'm guessing due to lack of flavor variety, although I try to rotate flavors as much as possible, because they are not eating it as well, but they still eat it better than anything else gum- and carrageenan-free.
www.rawznaturalpetfood.com

Another brand I feed sometimes is Koha stews. They also use fenugreek seeds, but they also put some vegetables in their stews, and my cats don't like it quite as much.

I tried Nature's Logic, which also has no gums or carrageenan, but it constipated my cat. It is a good brand if your cat can tolerate it, but be aware that it can cause constipation.

I also feed Tiki Cat Gourmet Carnivore on occasion. It is an expensive food to feed all the time, and all the foods are either chicken-based or fish-based. It appears they got rid of the Gourmet Carnivore line and replaced it with After Dark. Be aware that the SARDINE flavors contain XANTHAN GUM. However, all the other flavors are gum and carrageenan-free (I'm pretty sure), although a lot of their foods are fish-based. The After Dark line has mostly non-fish based foods.
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Wet vs Dry / Re: Dry Vs Wet
« Last post by Catgirl64 on December 17, 2017, 06:44:22 PM »
The food they are getting right now is called Tylee's.  It's not raw, but it is grain-free, with human-grade ingredients.  It does have fruits and veggies.  Years ago, I did prey model raw with two other dogs, and it's what I am most familiar with, but I am open to adding at least some plant materials.  I'm sure some will wonder why I got away from raw at all, and the reason was one of pure logistics:  I was living in a little cabin, with only a dorm fridge.  You pretty much can't do raw under those circumstances, as you barely have room to store fresh food for yourself. 

I'll try both, and see what works best for them.  Either one has to be better than kibble.  Planning to start out mixing in some raw with their Tylee's.

Mixed a bit of half-baked chicken with their food tonight.  They devoured it.  This is going to be much easier than transitioning the cats.  Based on their reaction, and my prior experience with raw for dogs, I could have the job done in a week or two, if I brush up on my knowledge of the correct size bones and can find a good source of organs, other than liver.

Lola, do you want me to continue with the dogs' progress here, or is there a better place for it? 
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Wet vs Dry / Re: Dry Vs Wet
« Last post by Middle Child on December 17, 2017, 05:24:37 PM »
Hoping to get my housemate on board, too.  She has a chronically smelly Scottie with chronically smelly poo.  I would bet my last penny that better food would address both of these issues.

Working on it...

Absolutely the improved diet would!
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Raw Feeding / Re: Catgirl64's Journey To Raw Feeding
« Last post by Middle Child on December 17, 2017, 05:23:47 PM »
I must have missed it then.  I only saw your request elsewhere.  ;)

That's what I was doing before I got the "slow cooker".  It was not an efficient method. The bones really do need a steady 8 hours of simmering.  And make sure you have at least some "joint" bones.

 If it doesn't gel, after at least 8 steady hours, two things may have happened.  One may be the heat was too high...the simmer more of a boil.  This can break down the protein too much.  (I think that is what I remember reading). It's still good and nutritious, but won't gel.  The other reason would simply be there was too much water, you have to cook it longer to cook off more of the water, or start with less to begin with.

Since I make this for both myself and the cats, I make it often and have gotten pretty good at it, from my own point of view anyway.  ;D

You, with six cats and two dogs, are likely to go through it pretty quickly so may be making it more often as well.

For the cats' bone broth I portion it into tablespoon size portions into ice cube trays and once frozen, bag it up in freezer bags.

 I actually couldn't find what I wanted in a slow cooker so I had to buy an electric pressure cooker that can also be used as a slow cooker.  I wanted an 8 quart with a stainless steel cook pot.  The only way I could get it was to pay for a pressure cooker.
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