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Re: Shadow back from the Vet
« Reply #15 on: September 10, 2011, 05:15:34 PM »
Even when its warm, mine never stop eating.  Being that they are throwing up hair balls, and eating grass, which kitties will do, when they get upset tummies, so they can throw up, their instinct tells them that, makes me think they are bound up with hair balls.  Throwing up the clear liquid, which is like stomach contents, also tells me, there is a blockage, most likely, the hair balls.

I would not let them go, more than 24 hours, which is 2 feedings, without them eating.  That, is a trip to the vet, for an x-ray.  Especially that Shadow is older and they both need to stay hydrated, in the warm weather.

On a rare occassion, one might not want to eat a meal, kinda like they just don't feel that great, kinda like we might do on occassion, but they should never go longer than missing 2 meals.

Ideally, they should get petromalt, at least once a week.

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Re: Shadow back from the Vet
« Reply #16 on: September 11, 2011, 01:00:34 AM »
Just home from work, now they have diahrea, and are still throwing up a bit.  I could not find any baby food that was just turkey, or just chicken. :(  I am thinking it is the food. They have been eating Wellness grain free, and Merricks before grain.  They were doing fine on the merricks when I introduced it to them over a week ago. I just put down some Innova Senior and Shadow ate a bit, not Wilson. The Vet better be open tommorow!!! I gave them both the hairball stuff, could that give them diahrea.  Im sorry im just so stressed and confused right now :(
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Re: Shadow back from the Vet
« Reply #17 on: September 11, 2011, 03:09:14 AM »
Awwww dagnabbit, I'm sorry they are not improving.

If they are both reacting similarly, then my first suspicion would also be something they ate.
However, it could also be that a hairball issue is compounding the problem.

I don't usually give the hairball treatments, so I can't really speak on the diarrhea except for what I've heard anecdotally.  
I've heard that the "greasiness" of some hairball treatments can over-lubricate things to the point that there is no actual movement of the blockage; everything just sorta slips around it.
On the other hand, the fiber based treatments (psyllium, pumpkin) can cause more buildup in a carnivore's system, and you definitely don't want that.  
As far as other laxatives go, there are softeners and stimulants.  
The softeners (mira-lax) pull water from the body to the intestines in order to soften things up.  
The stimulants (coffee, magnesium) target the nervous system in charge of actually moving the intestinal muscles to get things going.  Obviously, you wouldn't give coffee/caffeine to a cat, but the magnesium might be an option.

'Course all that is assuming we are talking about a hairball issue in the first place.  I think that might be something that should be confirmed with the vet via x-rays, or ultrasound, or whatever (that's how we finally discovered Pippin's problems way back when).

Hopefully, it's just a passing issue and will resolve itself soon.   cat3


BTW... I heard you guys had an earthquake yesterday??
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Re: Shadow back from the Vet
« Reply #18 on: September 11, 2011, 08:14:00 AM »
Shadow, ya know Bump loves you dearly, but, this has been going on too long, its time to get them to the vet. The longer you delay, the worse the situation is, to try and treat. If your vet is not open today, I would take them to the ER vet, I really would not, wait one more day.  Mine would have been to the vet already by now, and this post, is what usually gets Bump a bath, on catsfur.   

Don't make Bump come on up to Canada, and take Shadow to the vetty his self, cause he gots to be in NY tonight for a game.  >:(

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Re: Shadow back from the Vet
« Reply #19 on: September 11, 2011, 08:14:42 AM »
I'm sorry it's not better news.   This sounds more like they got into something.  A plant or something toxic.  I'd be calling the on call vet or ER center, I think.

All paws crossed for them.

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Re: Shadow back from the Vet
« Reply #20 on: September 11, 2011, 08:50:17 AM »
Shadow I agree, maybe they may have ingested something?   (I hate to have to say it, but maybe check consumer sites for Wellness issues; cats with like symptoms eating foods you're feeding. Never can tell these days with batch vs batch. )  

And have you any new carpet, flooring, or anything done in your home?  Even the most insignificant-seeming thing could affect them (IMO a must-read for all cat parents anyway  ;)  http://www.catnutrition.org/3/category/carpet%20toxins/1.html


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Re: Shadow back from the Vet
« Reply #21 on: September 11, 2011, 11:02:14 AM »
Ok im not sure how to quote from all different people in one message. Anyhow both my cats are eating this morning, and they seem back to normal. There is nothing for them to have gotten into really here, no new carpet, or anything like that. Im pretty sure it was a bad can of food. Im throwing out all remaining food, and buying new. Im going to wait until I see their poopie results from the food they just ate. If they start throwing up again then I will take them to the Vet. I am on a weeks holiday now,so I can really keep an eye on them. Bumpurrr... Wilson has only been sick for a day, and Shadow 2 days, that isnt that long is it?
Furmonster mum, im confused why would I give a laxative to a cat that has diahrrea?? and Yup we had an Earthquake, it was quite big, but did not feel it in the Capital. I guess it was to deep, and we were very lucky that the plates shifted sideways and not up and down, or else I probably would not be here typing this right now.
Im going to check out itchmo now and see if there is any problems with Wellness or Merricks BG
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Re: Shadow back from the Vet
« Reply #22 on: September 11, 2011, 11:16:47 AM »
Don't throw the food away!  Call the manufacturer and tell them you suspect your cats got sick from it.  They should send you a prepaid mailer so you can send them a sample to test.  Return the rest of it back where you bought it for a refund.

I'm glad they are doing better today.

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Re: Shadow back from the Vet
« Reply #23 on: September 11, 2011, 01:21:54 PM »
I gave them both the hairball stuff, could that give them diahrea. 

If both kitties are eating a bit, and the diarrhea isn't a constant.  I wouldn't be in full panic...yet.

Is the "hairball stuff" something new to them?  If so, my guess would be that is POSSIBLY the culprit.  Seems everyone can introduce their kitties to something new and it is smooooothe sailing.  That is RARELY the circumstances for our bunch.  Dogs included.
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Re: Shadow back from the Vet
« Reply #24 on: September 11, 2011, 04:09:13 PM »
Furmonster mum, im confused why would I give a laxative to a cat that has diahrrea??
Sorry, didn't mean to be confusing, I was responding under the assumption that there might be a blockage of some sort.
Sometimes, as what happened with Pippin, the more liquid elements in the intestine will simply flow around a blockage, and you will have diarrhea (fairly "mucusy" stuff).... but you would still need to address the blockage problem, which could possibly require a laxative of some sort.  It all depends on IF there IS a blockage, which would be best determined by x-ray or ultrasound and discussed with your vet.

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Yup we had an Earthquake, it was quite big, but did not feel it in the Capital. I guess it was to deep, and we were very lucky that the plates shifted sideways and not up and down, or else I probably would not be here typing this right now.
I saw an episode on either the History or Discovery channel some time ago... was about the plate movements.  There is apparently a geological study going on up there wherein they are tracking the plate movements via GPS.  From what I remember, the plate up there (Pacific plate?) is inching its way westward where the edge is being buried under another plate (subduction, IIRC).  The plate being buried tends to have a more sideways movement, whereas the "top" plate is the one that usually "springs up" from tension.  So that seems to fit in with your description. 
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Re: Shadow back from the Vet
« Reply #25 on: September 11, 2011, 04:45:56 PM »
Ok, this may sound weird, but I'm wondering if at least some of this is related to the earthquake?  In other words, they sensed something wasn't right and it made them nervous/uncomfortable which affected them physically?  I'm not saying there isn't/wasn't anything else going on just suggesting that the earthquake may have added to the situation in some way.

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Re: Shadow back from the Vet
« Reply #26 on: September 11, 2011, 05:18:10 PM »
At this moment after spending 288$ on Shadow at the Vet,I cant really afford to take both cats in for Xrays :( I feel really bad about that. :(
Right now they are up and about and I am feeding them bits of chicken breast, and syringing with water, due to it being so hot here. keeping a fan on them too. Have not seen any diahrrea as of yet today.  I went out and bought some plain organic pumpkin, so will give some of that too today.
Pookie we did not even feel the earthquake here, so im not sure that would be the case :-\
I think I may have given them too much of that hairball stuff, I rarely give it to them. I usually give coconut oil to Wilson for hairballs, so maybe that is why they are both having diahrrea. Shadow rarely has problems with hairballs, but Wilson has more issues with that.
I also went out and bought some new food, go grain free and the new Wellness minced Turkey, and minced chicken, NO wellness chicken and herring.  I see a few people having issues with wellness over at Itchmo forums.
Thanks guys for caring, it means alot to me, im a silly worried cat mom!!
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Re: Shadow back from the Vet
« Reply #27 on: September 11, 2011, 05:36:51 PM »
Shadow, you is still one of my bestest buddies, ya knows that, and ya know how the big Bump is.  :-*

It depends on knowing your cat, you in a general you, and what you are feeding your cat, and what has changed, in the food, in the sched, in the household routine, etc.   cat4

Came home from a show, to 2 sick 12 week old kittens, throwing up and diarea, OK, what had changed in 2 days. The pet sitter, at that time, said they gave them adult foodies in stead of kitten foodies by mistake.  Thats what changed. They both went into the vet, x-rays showed they both had inflammed intestines, they were put on Metronidazole, all better.

Bump threw up, on a holiday no less, called my vet, she asked, what has changed, well um, they all had a little milky.  She told me to just give him baby foodies mixed with water at next feeding, if still throwing up, in he comes, and oh no more milky.  What had changed? the milky. He kept his baby foodies down, and ate normal at the next feeding.

Tried to save money, gave the kittens FF, they both threw up, what had changed? The FF, gave them BW next meal, they were fine.

Gave Prowler and Smokey FF, they threw up, OK, a pattern is forming, what had changed, the FF, they went back on BW, they were fine.

Smokey would not eat her breakfast, eating is her mission in life, she went to college for it, nothing had changed, I know how she is about eating, in her case, I called the vet that morn, in she went.  Many tests, specialist called in, told to take her to the ER, she had liver issues, I know her, when she won't eat, there is a prob, I caught it early.

Just a few examples.  I know my cats, I know when something has changed, and we all know Bump is on the overly pickey side, mol, ain't no one else out there, more than him.

If nothing had changed, and they were eating the same foodies, then there is something else going on. They should not miss more than one meal, if they won't eat by the 2nd meal, they should go in.  You want to be very careful of dehydratration.

Now Bump gotta go to NYC, Dallas is playing there tonight, so you is on your own now, mol, Bump still got time to detour to Canada, and getty Shadow, ya got 2 hrs, for them to either eat, or take them in.  By the way, got a place, near you, where Bump can land his little jet????   >:(     

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Re: Shadow back from the Vet
« Reply #28 on: September 11, 2011, 06:10:58 PM »
I'm glad they seem to be doing better this afternoon, hope they are shaking it off, and perhaps the hair ball remedy did help.

My senior boy gets hair ball sicknesses.  Often the first indication is diarrhea.  Not vomiting. Once the diarrhea starts he feels too sick to eat.  And when he doesn't eat, the vomiting starts because his tummy is so empty. It's a vicious cycle.

Fortunately I have the supplies and skills to give him sub q fluids at home during these episodes.  But long ago, early on, my vet told me when it starts, to start giving him large doses of hair ball remedy several times a day.   It does not make his diarrhea worse.   What it does is STOP the vomiting, because: 1) it is something in his stomach and 2) until he passes the hair that is causing the illness he is not going to improve.  So..over the past few years, when he has these episodes, I give the laxatone, large doses 3 or 4 times a day, administer fluids and wait for him to start passing the hair.

Most episodes last two or three days.  Last August there was a spell where he did not eat for 84 hours.

I am not saying everyone should do this if their cat has diarrhea.  Of course a vet should always be consulted.  I am only sharing this to illustrate that sometimes the hair ball remedy works against the diarrhea in ways you wouldn't expect.

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Re: Shadow back from the Vet
« Reply #29 on: September 12, 2011, 07:12:30 AM »
Ok im not sure how to quote from all different people in one message.

See 'add multi quote'?  click on it for each post you want to quote, then hit reply. Here is when it can get confusing because posts you chosen will appear clumped together on reply screen.
 Look for this -->  [ /quote]   <--  at the end of each post. You'll want to hit enter after it to leave a space, and type your response. For example I've quoted two of your posts and typed my response between [ /quote] following your first post and [ quote  author=Shadow link=topic=743. msg4391#msg4391 date=1315779490] preceding your second.



Right now they are up and about and I am feeding them bits of chicken breast, and syringing with water, due to it being so hot here. keeping a fan on them too. Have not seen any diahrrea as of yet today.  I went out and bought some plain organic pumpkin, so will give some of that too today

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