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Raw Feeding / Re: Jennie developing an intolerance to beef?
« Last post by Middle Child on Today at 09:44:35 AM »
Keeping things updated...Jennie had a tiny poop this morning, two very small skinny pieces of stool.  Firm, little odor, no discernible blood, mostly fur.

It looks like, if this is a chicken/egg intolerance I am going to have to build her diet from scratch.  I will have to find a source of some other kind of egg, and pray she can eat them. It does seem her intolerance is poultry wide rather than just chicken, remember I took her off turkey a while back, and the duck was a disaster, so I wonder if I will be able to get egg into her at all.  Egg contains many essential nutrients including, and especially choline.

I'll be looking for quail eggs I guess.

Edit - darn it even as I was writing that she'd gone down and had a little more.  Exact same size as the one earlier this morning..but this time the end bit had a little blood on it. And it was a bit softer. Still not that foul odor of before, that seems to be gone now thank heavens.
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Raw Feeding / Re: Jennie developing an intolerance to beef?
« Last post by Pookie on July 21, 2018, 10:02:27 PM »
Nothing to add, just listening and sending support and hugs.   Hug1 Hug1 Hug1 Hug1 Hug1 Hug1
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Raw Feeding / Re: Jennie developing an intolerance to beef?
« Last post by Middle Child on July 21, 2018, 07:57:18 PM »
Always being a scooter.... do you know why?  Maybe the years of scooting did something, and it is just now showing up.   ?



I have wondered about that too.  yes, she has always been a scooter and I always assumed it was because of her anal gland trouble, and that, even when they weren't bothering her (such as just after they'd been expressed) it had become an ingrained habit.  But yes I do wonder if this is something to do with her anal glands.

It's also possible she's had a mild chicken (or even poultry) intolerance all along and it's just now developed to a major problem and now that she's off it, she needs time to heal.

Of course I suppose it seems dumb to "wonder" instead of just getting her in sooner, but I want to see this other vet.  Like I said, if the situation becomes urgent, if she starts pouring blood from her bottom or anything, I'll bring her right in and see whoever they give me on an emergency basis.

She hasn't lost any weight.

Tonight just before supper she had a poop.  It was soft but not loose. Light in color, which is probably from the pork.  Furry, as they all are.  And that bit of blood at the end, but not a lot, I really had to press the piece to see it on the paper towel.

I took a chance and gave her an s.boulardii this morning.  Sometimes it seems it doesn't seem to help her, but after that liquid poop over night I thought I'd better try.  I've stopped the Rad Cat, too, as that has egg yolk in it.  Now it's just pork and beef, with egg shell calcium and the pancreas, and tomorrow I'll start introducing the beef liver.

Oh, I've also started cutting it into smaller pieces instead of one big chunk.  Maybe she needs smaller bites to digest it better.

If she really can't have egg yolk either, I am going to have to learn to make my own supplement for her.  The IBD group has recipes.

It's possible there is more than one thing going on, the anal gland thing, and an issue with chicken.

Something else.....Jennie's always been a... frequent groomer, always licking at herself and washing.  Not in any one place, just all over. it's just been....who she is.

never any bare spots or thinning fur at all, just always licking at herself.

Except for the time, you may or may not remember she used to lick her abdomen bare (I called it her pink triangle) when she was on canned, but all that stopped, first it got quite a bit better, the fur grew back but she kept it very short, when I dropped carrageenan containing foods, then it stopped all together when I went raw.

Anyway since stopping the chicken, she is no longer constantly washing. She lies quietly. 
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Raw Feeding / Re: Jennie developing an intolerance to beef?
« Last post by Lola on July 21, 2018, 06:44:33 PM »
Always being a scooter.... do you know why?  Maybe the years of scooting did something, and it is just now showing up.   ?

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Raw Feeding / Re: Jennie developing an intolerance to beef?
« Last post by Middle Child on July 21, 2018, 05:15:13 PM »
There isn't a lot of choice here.  Two local clinics, each with multiple vets. (used to be 4 clinics, but now we only have two) One is a kitty toe chop shop, I wont step foot in the place.

I wish vets would advertise if they are proraw, but maybe there aren't any here!

Other vet clinics involve travel. The next two nearest are 40 minutes away. One I have been to on an emergency basis several times with both Tolly and Mazy cat, many years ago. Haven't had any emergencies in the last few years, thankfully.

Of the other vets aside from the one I use, and the one I am seeing with Jennie on the 30th, one, male, specializes mostly with dogs, one, male, is fresh out of vet school, well, a year or so ago, and when Jennie and I saw him when she had that vestibular episode he said he wasn't against home cooked diets but "didn't know a lot about raw". I just nodded and said "you should look into it".  The third male vet I saw once many years ago when Tolly was still alive, Tolly had what turned out to be his first episode with FORL. Wow, THAT was a LONG time ago.

Since my cats are more used to women than men in their lives I do tend to want to use women, though Jennie doens't seem to care either way.

Jennie had some diarrhea overnight, some time between 2-4 a.m. some out of the box and it (the part out of the box) had some fresh blood in it.  Nothing so far today.  I've decided no Rad Cat for today either, because I don't know, IF chicken is the problem, if egg is going to be a problem for her too.

I never, EVER expected I would expected have a health problem with Jennie. Canned fed since she came here at between 1-2 years old, raw fed by the time she was 7.....

I keep thinking back to her last anal gland expression and wondering if they damaged something in there.  But you know..she's always been a scooter.  Always.

She shows no tenderness or sensitivity at all no matter where I touch her, including her bottom.
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Raw Feeding / Re: Jennie developing an intolerance to beef?
« Last post by Lola on July 21, 2018, 03:53:34 PM »
Well, besides, I want to know this vet's views on raw feeding.  I NEED a pro raw vet, if I can find one, for at least Jennie and Queen Eva.  I don't think I can switch Mazy cat, she has such a hard time at the vet as it is.

It took me YEARS to find a pro-raw vet.  In fact, I didn't find her.  Someone mentioned her name in a Co-op Food group, and DeeDee passed the info on to me. 
I did mention to the vet, that if she just gave a HINT (on her website) that she was pro-raw... my furkids would have been clients much sooner! 
Still no hints on her website.  She has recently started a Facebook page and a Twitter account, so she must want her name "out there." 

My point of all that rambling, a vet that isn't anti-raw might not advertise his/herself as such.  :(
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General Discussion / Re: The Joy Thread
« Last post by Pookie on July 21, 2018, 10:00:08 AM »
Izzi is taking a bath on my night stand. Her mane is coming in and bath time is getting longer and longer. But she had a good brushing to help.

Probably because she's eating more and getting more of the nutrients that she needs to be healthy.  GREAT JOB in getting her to eat more canned!   DrLisaPiersonWorthy DrLisaPiersonWorthy DrLisaPiersonWorthy
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Raw Feeding / Re: Jennie developing an intolerance to beef?
« Last post by Pookie on July 21, 2018, 09:56:42 AM »
I THINK they only HAVE to know a pet is fed raw, when it comes to certain kind of blood work.  Pookie?   :)

Not a clue, sorry.   :-\

Well, besides, I want to know this vet's views on raw feeding.  I NEED a pro raw vet, if I can find one, for at least Jennie and Queen Eva.  I don't think I can switch Mazy cat, she has such a hard time at the vet as it is.

Or at least one that's not "anti-raw/raw is evil."  Good luck!   fingerscrossed fingerscrossed fingerscrossed fingerscrossed fingerscrossed fingerscrossed
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Raw Feeding / Re: Jennie developing an intolerance to beef?
« Last post by Middle Child on July 21, 2018, 09:40:50 AM »
Well, besides, I want to know this vet's views on raw feeding.  I NEED a pro raw vet, if I can find one, for at least Jennie and Queen Eva.  I don't think I can switch Mazy cat, she has such a hard time at the vet as it is.
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Raw Feeding / Re: Jennie developing an intolerance to beef?
« Last post by Lola on July 21, 2018, 09:33:40 AM »
Thanks but I'm sure it's in her records that she is raw fed. :)

Oh yeah... different vet, but same location.  Pesky records.
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