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Hare-Today Ratio Questions
« on: April 03, 2015, 11:23:23 AM »
Hare Today Chicken ratio:

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Fine ground whole roasting chicken, this is the entire dressed bird including skin,neck and the offal [heart, gizzards, liver] USDA inspected, all natural.

Meat/Bone/Organ ratio: Note, heart and gizzard is considered a muscle meat for feeding purposes

68% meat
27% bone
5% organ [liver] 

Damn it...
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Re: Re: Hare-Today Ratio Questions
« Reply #1 on: April 03, 2015, 03:50:07 PM »
That's not even proper ratios for dogs.

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Re: Hare-Today Ratio Questions
« Reply #2 on: April 03, 2015, 10:51:27 PM »
I thought I asked every possible question, before I started feeding it. 
There has GOT to be an  explanation... the supplements make it right?  Something...
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Re: Hare-Today Ratio Questions
« Reply #3 on: April 04, 2015, 01:09:42 AM »
Well the thing is a whole chicken just has too much bone for a balance, and they are using the whole chicken.  I guess it's up to the consumer to know that and to add the correct ratio of meat to balance it?

And, if this is the whole chicken,  where are the other organs?  Lung, pancreas, brain, kidney?

Did you write and ask them about it?

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Re: Hare-Today Ratio Questions
« Reply #4 on: April 04, 2015, 09:23:10 AM »
The turkey is the same. 

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All natural fine ground whole turkey including heart, liver and gizzards.



Meat/Bone/Organ ratio: Note, heart and gizzard is considered a muscle meat for feeding purposes

68% meat
27% bone
5% organ [liver]

This food is low in Sodium. It is also a good source of Niacin, Vitamin B6, Vitamin B12 and Phosphorus, and a very good source of Protein and Selenium.

Guaranteed Analysis
Crude Protein (min.) 19%
Crude Fat (min.)10%
Crude Fiber (max.) 2%
Moisture (max.) 75%

THIS is exactly why I was so hesitant to feed raw. It is NOT as simple as explained.
Thankfully, I still have some canned food on hand  I am SO pizzed at myself...
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Re: Hare-Today Ratio Questions
« Reply #5 on: April 04, 2015, 11:51:35 AM »
The turkey is the same. 

THIS is exactly why I was so hesitant to feed raw. It is NOT as simple as explained.
Thankfully, I still have some canned food on hand  I am SO pizzed at myself...

Just find some extra organic breasts & organs from your store, slice them thinly, and then freeze them for a couple of months to kill things.

Then take the weight of the hare-today, figure out how much to add to make the 68% turn into 80% and the 5% organs into 10% to move the bone into a lower ratio of about 10%.

That math is way over my head is all I know. I can't figure out a formula to do that. It's not like doubling a recipe. Maybe you already know how to figure it out. Maybe your H knows what formula to use? I can ask mine when he gets home from work if you want. I just know that the meat from stores needs a while in the freezer.
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Re: Hare-Today Ratio Questions
« Reply #6 on: April 04, 2015, 03:33:53 PM »
I don't know DeeDee...

I can't be the ONLY moron looking for a COMPLETE raw diet.  *sigh*
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Re: Hare-Today Ratio Questions
« Reply #7 on: April 04, 2015, 03:58:06 PM »
Presently in 1 pound  you have:

10.88oz meat
4.32oz bone
.8 oz organ

You need to add 27.2 oz of meat

and

4.8 oz of organ

Ground up and mixed really well with what you've got

You'll be close to 80%--9% bone--11% organ  and end up with 3 lbs. of food instead of the 1 lb. you start with.

If you want to lower the organ amount, then exchange just a little bit of it for meat.

Unless you just want to waste what you've got. And he said have fun kneading it.
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Re: Hare-Today Ratio Questions
« Reply #8 on: April 04, 2015, 04:00:03 PM »
In case anyone wants to start from scratch, for 1 lb. of mix you need:


12.8 oz meat
1.6 oz organ
1.6 oz bone
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Re: Hare-Today Ratio Questions
« Reply #9 on: April 04, 2015, 06:17:16 PM »
Thanks, DeeDee.

I think it was less stress when I "allowed" the commercial pet food manufacturers make my cats sick...
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Re: Hare-Today Ratio Questions
« Reply #10 on: April 05, 2015, 05:17:36 PM »
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80/10/10 ratio is used for overall feeding with dogs that do not need supplemented. Cats need supplements. If you use the Alnutrin with the meat/bone/organ you will make a complete meal. If you notice your cats are straining to go to the bathroom with the higher bone you can add in more boneless meats or add more heart which is fed as a muscle meat.

Does this response sound a bit wishy washy to you?
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Re: Hare-Today Ratio Questions
« Reply #11 on: April 05, 2015, 09:57:20 PM »
Okay. I'm confused. I thought they were selling it for dogs too? What do they suggest dogs get supplemented with if they eat this? They just said that the 80-10-10 was for not supplementing dogs.

If they're saying that you have to pick out a lot of things for it to be complete for dogs, you're right back to the "not so easy" route. What about Lacy?
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Re: Hare-Today Ratio Questions
« Reply #12 on: April 06, 2015, 04:35:20 AM »
Hare-Today Response:
Does this response sound a bit wishy washy to you?

It's a non answer and not very friendly at that. The ratio is still wrong.

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Re: Hare-Today Ratio Questions
« Reply #13 on: April 06, 2015, 02:48:14 PM »
I was pretty bummed with her answer.  How many people are feeding their dogs and/or cats her ground mixture ...having NO CLUE that the ratio numbers are sooooooo far off?

Maybe the way she grinds, the ratio numbers can't be improved.  Fine.  BUT why not just be upfront with that info? 
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Re: Hare-Today Ratio Questions
« Reply #14 on: April 06, 2015, 03:01:07 PM »
Something in the pit of my stomach, kept telling me not to feed just ONE brand of raw.  So I continued to order RadCat as well.

I am in the process of phasing out canned food.  Other than Roxy, the other cats share one 5 oz can (mixed with raw) every 3 day.  I am using up what I have on hand. 

I am SO hoping, since Hare-Today wasn't the only food being fed... no one has/had constipation issues, due to the MASSIVE bone content. 

Lacy dog is good.  She is fed Hare-Today and canned daily. Plus, her poop habits are easier to keep track of.  We can see her poop, because we have to take her outside to do so. 
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