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Cats => Cat Food And Nutrition => Discussion Of Brands And Ingredients => Topic started by: Lola on March 08, 2012, 01:45:14 PM
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Due to MC's posts, I have ordered this flavor and the chicken.
Available in 6 oz. cans.
Organic Turkey & Turkey Liver Canned Cat Food
Certified Organic
Ingredients: Organic Turkey, Well Water, Organic Turkey Liver, Guar Gum, Locust Bean Gum, Carrageenan Gum, Dicalcium Phosphate, Potassium Chloride, Taurine, Calcium Carbonate, Choline Chloride, Vitamin E Supplement, Zinc Proteinate (Chelated Source of Zinc), Copper Proteinate (Chelated Source of Copper), Niacin Supplement, Manganese Proteinate (Chealted Source of Manganese), Sodium Selenite, d-Calcium Pantothenate, Vitamin A Acetate, Riboflavin Supplement, Ethylenediamine Dihydriodide, Vitamin B12 Supplement, Biotin, Vitamin D3 Supplement, Pyridoxine Hydrochloride, Thiamine Mononitrate, Folic Acid.
Calorie Content: 25 kcal/oz.
Guaranteed Analysis
Crude Protein (Minimum) 10.0%
Crude Fat (Minimum) 6.0%
Crude Fiber (Maximum) 1.5%
Moisture (Maximum) 78.0%
http://www.bynaturepetfoods.com/productpages/organiccannedcat.php#ttl
Don't know the carb content. According to Mo's Carb Chart (http://parenting-furkids.com/index.php?topic=747.0):
...willing to give me the information.
However, they did not want it to be shared with the public. The companies request that they are
contacted directly, so they may provide the most accurate numbers.
Comments?
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I don't remember how I got those numbers but I remember it being less than 10% and I think less than 7% carb. I don't guess I should really go back and find out specifics to post against their wishes.
Its as good a food as any I have found. I still have a couple of cans floating around as back up. Other than litterbox stink, Amber had no problems with this food on any occasion.
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That's not the one I feed though. I use the Organic Turkey and Chicken. It does not contain carrageenan, and it has lower phosphurous and magnesium than the others.
....WAIT A MINUTE.....Gah! The ingredients list has CHANGED! The cans I have do NOT have carrageenan in them. It's one of the reasons I bought this flavor. Now I am looking at the ingredient list on their website, and the list has changed completely. Oh no, NOW what am I going to feed this cat?
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Here is the info, from their website, for the chicken and chicken liver:
Ingredients: Organic Chicken, Well Water, Organic Chicken Livers, Guar Gum, Locust Bean Gum, Carrageenan Gum, Dicalcium Phosphate, Potassium Chloride, Taurine, Calcium Carbonate, Choline Chloride, Vitamin E Supplement, Zinc Proteinate (Chelated Source of Zinc), Copper Proteinate (Chelated Source of Copper), Niacin Supplement, Manganese Proteinate (Chealted Source of Manganese), Sodium Selenite, d-Calcium Pantothenate, Vitamin A Acetate, Riboflavin Supplement, Ethylenediamine Dihydriodide, Vitamin B12 Supplement, Biotin, Vitamin D3 Supplement, Pyridoxine Hydrochloride, Thiamine Mononitrate, Folic Acid.
Calorie Content: 25 kcal/oz.
Guaranteed Analysis
Crude Protein (Minimum) 9.0%
Crude Fat (Minimum) 6.0%
Crude Fiber (Maximum) 1.5%
Moisture (Maximum) 78.0%
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I don't remember how I got those numbers but I remember it being less than 10% and I think less than 7% carb. I don't guess I should really go back and find out specifics to post against their wishes.
Its as good a food as any I have found. I still have a couple of cans floating around as back up. Other than litterbox stink, Amber had no problems with this food on any occasion.
Did they tell YOU not to post the info?
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Organic Turkey And Chicken:
Ingredients: Organic Turkey, Organic Chicken, Well Water, Guar Gum, Locust Bean Gum, Carrageenan Gum, Dicalcium Phosphate, Potassium Chloride, Taurine, Calcium Carbonate, Choline Chloride, Vitamin E Supplement, Zinc Proteinate (Chelated Source of Zinc), Copper Proteinate (Chelated Source of Copper), Niacin Supplement, Manganese Proteinate (Chealted Source of Manganese), Sodium Selenite, d-Calcium Pantothenate, Vitamin A Acetate, Riboflavin Supplement, Ethylenediamine Dihydriodide, Vitamin B12 Supplement, Biotin, Vitamin D3 Supplement, Pyridoxine Hydrochloride, Thiamine Mononitrate, Folic Acid.
Calorie Content: 25 kcal/oz.
Guaranteed Analysis
Crude Protein (Minimum) 10.0%
Crude Fat (Minimum) 6.0%
Crude Fiber (Maximum) 1.5%
Moisture (Maximum) 78.0%
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That's not the one I feed though. I use the Organic Turkey and Chicken. It does not contain carrageenan, and it has lower phosphurous and magnesium than the others.
....WAIT A MINUTE.....Gah! The ingredients list has CHANGED! The cans I have do NOT have carrageenan in them. It's one of the reasons I bought this flavor. Now I am looking at the ingredient list on their website, and the list has changed completely. Oh no, NOW what am I going to feed this cat?
Since a company can use old labels for 6 months...maybe you have a NEW label? Maybe they just haven't updated their website? (Think positive.) fingerscrossed
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Since a company can use old labels for 6 months...maybe you have a NEW label? Maybe they just haven't updated their website? (Think positive.) fingerscrossed
Or maybe I am feeding new food under an old label, which would mean she's been eating the carrageenan in this food all along and it's not bothering her.
I have written to them, I usually get a reply in a day or two.
Another concern is, if they have changed the formula since I started feeding her, this may mean the phosphorous and magnesium levels have changed. Gosh, there just doesn't seem to be ANY way to EVER feed our cats safely on commercial food. This particular cat does not eat people food, so home cooking for her wouldn't work, even if I felt able to do it.
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Posted in another thread, by Middle Child ...
Response to MC from By Nature concerning Carageenan.
Thank you for your inquiry. The ingredients listed on the can are accurate. We're updating our web site to reflect this information. Thank you for bringing this to our attention and we hope you and your cat continue to enjoy By Nature products."
Meant to tell you, MC, the cans I received yesterday...no Carageenan listed on the labels. ;D
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Thanks Lola, later in the day I remembered this thread and was going to come back and post my news here, too, so I'm glad you thought of it.
You got the organic turkey and liver right? Does it have the menadione bisulfate ingredient? (the website is still not updated, so I can't check on that for myself)
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Thanks Lola, later in the day I remembered this thread and was going to come back and post my news here, too, so I'm glad you thought of it.
You got the organic turkey and liver right? Does it have the menadione bisulfate ingredient? (the website is still not updated, so I can't check on that for myself)
I bought organic turkey/turkey liver and organic chicken/chicken liver. They both have menadione dimethylpyrimidinot bisulfate as the last ingredient.
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PetFoodDirect still shows the By Nature Organics Organic Chicken & Chicken Liver Canned Cat Food as having the following ingredients:
Organic Chicken, Well Water, Organic Chicken Livers, Guar Gum, Locust Bean Gum, Carrageenan Gum, Dicalcium Phosphate, Potassium Chloride, Taurine, Calcium Carbonate, Choline Chloride, Vitamin E Supplement, Zinc Proteinate (Chelated Source of Zinc), Copper Proteinate (Chelated Source of Copper), Niacin Supplement, Manganese Proteinate (Chelated Source of Manganese), Sodium Selenite, d-Calcium Pantothenate, Vitamin A Acetate, Riboflavin Supplement, Ethylenediamine Dihydriodide, Vitamin B-12 Supplement, Biotin, Vitamin D-3 Supplement, Pyridoxine Hydrochloride, Thiamine Mononitrate, Folic Acid, Menadione Dimethylpyrimidinol Bisulfite.
Did we ever figure out if the above is an OLD label (and the ingredients have since been improved), or if the above is a new label? I haven't ordered it in a while, and I don't want to end up with Carrageenan...
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I got a few cases in yesterday. New batches, new numbers (as compared to my last three orders). Carrageenan is still NOT listed on the labels.
The stores most likely get their info from the product website, and the product website still lists carrageenan as an ingredient, but is is NOT listed on the can label.
I am inclined to believe the can label over the websites. Mainly because my two cats who have shown intolerances to carrageenan are eating By Nature Organics daily, with no adverse effects.
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Sorry MC. I see where I quoted your post, from another thread. Doh! You wrote them. They replied that there isn't any Carrageenan. ;D
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UPDATE: Company rep states their products DO contain Carrageenan. Their website is correct. :(
http://parenting-furkids.com/index.php?topic=1449.0
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I know we have a few threads going on this same topic, whether or not By Nature Organic contains carrageenan. I hope you don't mind if I post this same post in all of them (if I can find them) so the information in each thread is up to date.
I have just heard from my contact at By Nature and here is the reply intact, except I x'd out my name :) The bolding is mine
Hi xxxx,
Thank you for contacting us with your inquiry and we do apologize for the confusion. Unfortunately there was a misunderstanding internally, which has created incorrect information in some areas and we are very close to our website as well as all of our labels being revised and updated to reflect the correct ingredient profile; maybe that is how the confusion came about with your friend who called in, again, our apologies. Although we have been patiently waiting for the updates to be 100% complete on our website there still are changes to be updated and I confirmed yesterday afternoon that this should take place by the end of August.
No need for any more worries; our Organic labels are correct, (there is no Carrageenan) but the website is not and it may be getting updated before the other updates, thank YOU for your continued feedback! I wasn’t able to respond to you right away because I was waiting for our Brand Manager to let me know when the updates would be available to assure you where we were at with everything. I greatly apologize for the delay xxxx!
One of the other Customer Service gals received your other email through the By Nature® site so we understand how important the confirmation of this information is to you so hopefully you can rest assured that the information you have received from me is indeed correct. Have a great weekend and thank you very much for your time and feedback, we appreciate your continued support!
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Now I know why National Pet Pharmacy was having such a great price on this brand. It's been discontinued in the 6 ounce cans and 12 can cases. The new size is a 5.5 ounce can, and being sold in 24 can cases, as I found when searching in NPP. I checked the By Nature website to be sure and see they have made that change, but STILL are listing carageenan as an ingredient in this food, though it is not listed on the can label and I have been reassured time and time again, that the can label is correct, and the website is not correct.
However, now I am concerned, that if they have changed can size, have they changed the formula too. I don't want to buy the new can size, until I know for sure. I have written to them, and will post the reply here. Fortunately I stocked up during the sale, but if they have changed the formula I am going to be really devastated.
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I know I have whined about this before... but it isn't that difficult to change the wording on a website. Carageenan is getting to be a pretty hot topic. You would think By Nature would WANT their website to be accurate.
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I know. And I said that in my e mail asking for clarification. How hard is it to fix a website for crying out loud. Unless they've been intending all along to change the formula. I haven't heard back yet, but she usually does take a couple of days to reply, because she goes looking for the answers for me. I want to trust this person, but I am not very trusting any more. I just purchased 12 cases at the sale price (144 cans) and decided to go back for more and they were sold out and one flavor marked discontinued, that's what got me looking further. So..if the formula has changed I've got about 4 months to find something else, or commit to going completely raw.
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Put on your "Pookie" face... think positive. :)
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Her "Pookie" face? Bumpurr1
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GOOD NEWS!!!!
Thank you again for your continued feedback and you will now see that the website has been updated and the Organic information has been corrected. There have been no changes at all in the Organic canned foods and the labels have been correct this entire time so everything should be matching up now! Additionally, I recorded and passed your feedback on as well.
bananamiddlechild bananamiddlechild bananamiddlechild
PS I wondered what a Pookie face is, too, it sounds intriguing! If it will keep me cheeruful I wanna use it!
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PS I wondered what a Pookie face is, too, it sounds intriguing! If it will keep me cheeruful I wanna use it!
Hmmm ... maybe I should trademark it? ;D
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By the way, in my reply, thanking the CSR I wrote:
By the way, the on line stores that carry By Nature also have the incorrect ingredient list. Since more and more people are avoiding carrageenan, you might want to draw that to the attention of whoever deals with the retailers, perhaps they can contact the on line stores to update their information, also. This way you may get more sales! I recommend this food all the time, but always have people coming back to me saying "but it has carrageenan".
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Pookie face = positive thinking = ;D
Pookie tends to see the positive side of things. IMHO... of course. :D
MC,
Thanks for being diligent ... hammering By Nature to get their act together. thumbsup1
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I was so curious about the new packaging that I ordered a case of each, even though I just stocked up with the incredible price on the last of the 6 ounce cans. (I bought twelve 12-can cases) The labels are the same, no carrageenan. An odd thing though, the new packaging cases (24 5.5 ounce cans) have a sooner best by date (June 2014) than the old packaging (12 6 ounce cans) (May 2015).
I do like to buy well ahead, just in case of recalls, because when I buy well in advance of needing it, by the time I get to that particular batch, if there is a problem with it, the chances are better that it will be discovered, and I will hear about it, before I use it. However it's getting a bit crowded in here so I guess I won't buy any for a few months. funny2