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Title: First time cat owner need help with kitten
Post by: LeFlame on October 27, 2016, 08:03:24 PM
Hi everyone this is my first time having a cat the only problem is I'm not sure if it's normal for her to hide and growl at me.She is a 9 week orange tabby well that's what how old the animal shelter thinks  she is.Anyway I've had Lea for 4 days now and she is still very scared I have to be on my bed or out of the room for her to come out.She is eating well and using the litter but is scared to death when she sees me looking at her or sees me in general.many people have told me to have Lea in a small quiet room but my house doesn't have a small or quiet room so I just have her in my room.I'm not sure if having her in my room makes a difference in her behavior.Tips or suggestions would be appreciated.
Title: Re: First time cat owner need help with kitten
Post by: Middle Child on October 27, 2016, 08:32:24 PM
Hello and welcome to PFK! Congratulations on your new baby girl Lea!

Keeping her in your room is fine. It's the one room that is the important thing, instead of many rooms.   Don't try to force interaction with her.  Hissing and growling is just her way of communicating to you that she is scared and uncertain.

How often are you in your room?  Do you have to be away for long periods?

If she comes out when you are on your bed, that is a good thing.  Talk to her in a soft voice so she can get used to you.  Use her name a lot and tell her how much you love her, how happy you are that she is there, and how much better she will feel in a while.

Very important for you to know that four days is a very very VERY short time, for any cat. Kittens sometimes do adjust quickly, but not all kittens, as you are discovering.  Some need weeks to adjust.  You are going to need to be very patient, but I assure you the rewards in the end, the feeling of winning a tiny innocent animal's trust, well it's indescribable.

You and Lea will have a really incredible bond.  But you must be very patient and go at her pace.

You'll see   :)

I'm just off to bed but wanted to welcome you and Lea and to urge you to stick around and keep us posted on Lea.  I know the others will be along sooner or later to chime in.
Title: Re: First time cat owner need help with kitten
Post by: DeeDee on October 27, 2016, 08:58:11 PM
hellowave HangInThere hellowave

I'm the dog person. But it's nice to have you here!!!

I don't remember the names of them, but (if it continues very long) you might want to check into some of those calming essential oils.

MC, Pookie, or Lola would know about the essential oil brands that are best. I can't remember them now, and don't know which thread lists the ones that have been used.

This is the kitty-pheromone version of the thing I use in our RV for our dogs when we're on trips:

https://www.chewy.com/feliway-30-day-starter-kit-plug-in/dp/121785

It comes in spray as well:

http://www.californiapetpharmacy.com/feliway-natual-spray-20ml.html
Title: Re: First time cat owner need help with kitten
Post by: Middle Child on October 27, 2016, 09:05:54 PM
No, essential oils are not safe to use around cats, but the feliway plug in might be a good idea!

 Rescue Remedy is a calming supplement you can add to her water or food, you might have luck with that too.

Good thinking Dee!

LeFlame: Remember that she is just a tiny baby and her whole world has been turned completely upside down.  She has no idea what's happened to her, where she is, or how to cope. It's going to take time, maybe lots of time, that's all.
Title: Re: First time cat owner need help with kitten
Post by: Pookie on October 27, 2016, 09:18:53 PM
No, essential oils are not safe to use around cats, but the feliway plug in might be a good idea!

 Rescue Remedy is a calming supplement you can add to her water or food, you might have luck with that too.

Good thinking Dee!

LeFlame: Remember that she is just a tiny baby and her whole world has been turned completely upside down.  She has no idea what's happened to her, where she is, or how to cope. It's going to take time, maybe lots of time, that's all.

MC is correct about the essential oils.  And she has a great idea with the Rescue Remedy.  There is a pet version that is alcohol-free, and that's the one you'd want to use.

I don't have as much experience as the others with new cats, and mine adjusted fairly well because they were litter-mates and had each other.  But MC's first post contains a lot of wonderful information, and she's had a lot of experience with cats.

Definitely go at Lea's pace.  She's just a baby, and all of this is new and scary to her.  You mention she hides if she sees you looking at her.  Like I said, I'm no expert, but maybe "ignoring" her, e.g. not focusing too much attention on her, might help?  I'm not at all suggesting you literally ignore her.  More like . . . observing from the corner of your eye more.  If I remember correctly, cats don't like direct stares -- they feel threatened.  So when you do look at her, (if you have a chance) give her the "slow blink."  Also, try not to stress/worry about her reactions.  They are perfectly normal, and she'll sense your stress which won't help her.

You can try EFT (emotional freedom technique) which involves tapping yourself.  You can Google it, and there's an article here that might give you an idea of what it's about:  http://www.littlebigcat.com/behavior/eft-in-practice-surrogate-eft-for-two-cats-and-a-puppy/

Jackson Galaxy also has tips, like this one:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QDH57ytvu7U

Sending purrs, and welcome to the group!  Congrats on your new furkid!

P.S.  You're probably feeling a bit overwhelmed by all of this.  It's ok to feel that way.  Everything will be fine, it just takes time.  grouphug
Title: Re: First time cat owner need help with kitten
Post by: Pookie on October 27, 2016, 09:40:24 PM
One thing I did to help my furkids get used to me (at least, I think it helped), is I would make purring sounds.  I would just sit on the floor and "purr."
Title: Re: First time cat owner need help with kitten
Post by: DeeDee on October 27, 2016, 10:05:36 PM

 Rescue Remedy is a calming supplement you can add to her water or food, you might have luck with that too.



Rescue Remedy! That's the name I couldn't remember. I thought it was essential oils though.  Doh1
Title: Re: First time cat owner need help with kitten
Post by: Middle Child on October 28, 2016, 05:06:19 AM
Rescue Remedy for pets is an herbal mixture but not essential oils
Title: Re: First time cat owner need help with kitten
Post by: Pookie on October 28, 2016, 05:55:58 AM
Talk to her in a soft voice so she can get used to you.  Use her name a lot and tell her how much you love her, how happy you are that she is there, and how much better she will feel in a while.

You might also want to tell her something like, I know you're scared and confused right now, and you miss your old home, and that's okay.  This is your new home now, and you're safe and loved here.  Everything's going to be ok.

From her point of view, she doesn't understand what happened or why.  All she knows is that she's no longer with her family, etc.  Saying something like the above may help.  They really do understand.

grouphug
Title: Re: First time cat owner need help with kitten
Post by: LeFlame on October 28, 2016, 07:27:51 AM
Thanks for all the tips guys I think I just going to ignore her a bit more and give her time and space also can anyone recommend a good brand for kitten food?
Title: Re: First time cat owner need help with kitten
Post by: DeeDee on October 28, 2016, 09:31:29 AM
All I know to tell you is "no kibble" b/c you don't want to ruin the digestive system and (later on) kidneys. And carrageenan is a carcinogen.

OH! If you decide to go raw, "fur and feathers." NO Fish!

I've only been trained for knowing the worst dangers for the Twitter account. LOL One of the others will get back to you soon.

You might want to read some of this site while you wait for them to get back to you:  http://www.catinfo.org/  It's from Lisa A. Pierson, DVM.
Title: Re: First time cat owner need help with kitten
Post by: Lola on October 28, 2016, 03:48:55 PM
Orange/Red cats are Awesome!  Pictures are always good.  :)

Our Jenkins (shelter cat) was "less than friendly" when he first joined our family.  He would hiss and spit at us.  He didn't appreciate eye contact either.  He was SO afraid of humans.  For him, he did best when I let him out of the room and he was able to hang out with other felines.
Maybe there is a buddy at the shelter that Lea would appreciate...   ;D

As far as food... if you don't want to go raw... canned for sure!  Just about ANY canned is better than dry. 
Title: Re: First time cat owner need help with kitten
Post by: Lola on October 28, 2016, 04:04:51 PM
PS
Rumor has it that only 20% of red cats are female. 
Title: Re: First time cat owner need help with kitten
Post by: Lola on October 28, 2016, 04:16:30 PM
PSS   Silly7

Goooood video from Jackson Galaxy... great info! 

Also, do you have a feather toy?  This is a fan favorite at our house!  Jenkins was/is very comfortable playing with us and this toy.  He has a blast and it gives him a comfortable distance from the humans. 

WARNING:  I do know an acquaintance that didn't put the toy away after playtime.  Her cat got the string part wrapped around a chair leg and the cat's leg.  When her cat panicked and tried to get away, the sting tightened on his leg.  A very dangerous situation.  He had to have surgery. Soooooo, if you decide to get one... put away after play time.   :)


Title: Re: First time cat owner need help with kitten
Post by: LeFlame on October 28, 2016, 05:43:16 PM
So far Lea is still scared and hissing I just got back from the store with a cat wand and a cat ball and some catnip but I'm not sure if catnip works on kittens as for a buddy it was hard enough to convince my mom to get a cat in the first place and especially in the house.Also the main reason I picked Lea was because it seems like the 2 other kittens in her cage outcasted her and she seems so sad so I just had to get her.
Title: Re: First time cat owner need help with kitten
Post by: DeeDee on October 28, 2016, 06:16:47 PM
If you can't have a friend, then something like this might help if you can find one:

http://www.drsfostersmith.com/product/prod_display.cfm?pcatid=29909&cmpid=02cseYY&gclid=CjwKEAjw7svABRCi_KPzoPr53QoSJAABSvxfEDSAUvBPw3kGJcmkJ4YDb6nWoSz4Fx-CzjhDP_pDLBoCyl7w_wcB (http://www.drsfostersmith.com/product/prod_display.cfm?pcatid=29909&cmpid=02cseYY&gclid=CjwKEAjw7svABRCi_KPzoPr53QoSJAABSvxfEDSAUvBPw3kGJcmkJ4YDb6nWoSz4Fx-CzjhDP_pDLBoCyl7w_wcB)

But it has drawbacks since it's something you can't leave the kitten alone with.
Title: Re: First time cat owner need help with kitten
Post by: Pookie on October 28, 2016, 09:26:28 PM
Also, do you have a feather toy?  This is a fan favorite at our house!  Jenkins was/is very comfortable playing with us and this toy.  He has a blast and it gives him a comfortable distance from the humans. 

WARNING:  I do know an acquaintance that didn't put the toy away after playtime.  Her cat got the string part wrapped around a chair leg and the cat's leg.  When her cat panicked and tried to get away, the sting tightened on his leg.  A very dangerous situation.  He had to have surgery. Soooooo, if you decide to get one... put away after play time.   :)

To add to Lola's warning about toys with string (or any string, for that matter):  always, always ALWAYS put them away when done.  Pookie was a "string-eater."  One night I left a toy out, then next morning saw the string portion was gone.  Yep, he ate it.  At the vet, he was so scared that all the hydrogen peroxide they gave him wasn't enough to get him to vomit.  I think they ended up giving him something else.  After I brought him home, he couldn't stop vomiting, so he was at the vet for several more days.  It was not a good situation for anyone.  And as that vet told me, "once a string eater, ALWAYS a string eater."  In fact, I had to cut the tails off of his toy mice because he would eat those, too.   :( ::)

That's not to say your kitty is a string-eater, but you really don't want to risk it.

As for food, Dee hit the main points and gave you a GREAT website.  Any wet food is better than dry.  Dry food does NOT clean teeth, no matter what the ads and vets may say.  Popcorn doesn't clean human teeth, and kibble doesn't clean animal teeth.  Wet food is better for cats:  more moisture (they get water from their diet); higher meat protein; lower carbohydrate.  They are the ultimate "Atkins" dieters.

You may also want to check your local library for Dr. Elizabeth Hodgkins' book:  Your Cat:  Secrets to a Longer, Stronger Life.  Tons of great information.  But definitely start with the link DeeDee posted.  That website sparked a lot of epiphanies for me as to why my cats kept vomiting and regurgitating their food.  If you start Lea off on wet food now, you will be doing her a HUGE favor in the long run.

She may hiss and be scared for a while.  As Middle Child said, a few days is not a long time to Lea.  Give her plenty of time.  Patience is essential.  She needs to get used to you and everything else, and that's going to take a while.

Sending purrs and hugs:  grouphug CatPurr GoodVibes
Title: Re: First time cat owner need help with kitten
Post by: Middle Child on October 29, 2016, 08:45:34 AM
Good morning, how's little Lea today?

Can you answer some questions, it will help us see how she is doing.

How often is she left alone in your room, and for how long?

Does she have a box fort of some kind for hiding in?  If not, do get a box for her and line it with a shirt you have worn.

Is she eating well?  Kittens eat a lot, she should be eating at least 9 ounces of canned food a day. You can get the kitten versions of canned foods if you feel more comfortable doing that, but it doesn't really make much difference I don't think.

Was she spayed before you brought her home from the vet?

Do you have scratching posts for her? It is important to give her something to scratch on right away. This will prevent problems with scratching furniture as she gets older and bigger.  Once she is roaming the whole house you will want scratching furniture for her in every room.

Right now you can give her one of those little posts if you want, but cats need tall sturdy pieces, or curved, or horizontal.  Most cats prefer a variety, and there are plenty to choose from.

Cardboard and sisal are the most effective and popular with cats.

Has she been to the vet for a check up and to start her kitten series of shots? I am not a fan of over vaccinating, but she does need her core vaccines.  And you will need to talk to the vet about her spay, if she isn't already done. Some shelters do those early spays before releasing kittens, but many vets, for some reason, don't like to spay before 6 months.  I think 4 months is better.  Get her done before she has even one heat cycle.

I think someone already posted the catinfo.org link. to help you understand the kind of food Lea needs to thrive.

Here are a couple other links.

www.kittyshark.net

www.catcentric.org

That snuggle toy Dee linked to is adorable.  Or you can get a wind up alarm clock (the kind that ticks) and wrap it in a soft blanket and put it in her bed.  A bottle with warm water in it will help too.

She's so tiny and used to having other kittens around her, she may be cold.  Make sure she has a warm snuggley bed to burrow in, until she gets brave enough to snuggle with you!

Please don't ignore her.  Don't force yourself on her, but that doesn't mean ignoring.  You want to sit quietly and talk to her, so she knows your voice.

Remember, patience patience patience!  She is just a tiny baby suddenly finding herself in a huge scary unfamiliar place.
Title: Re: First time cat owner need help with kitten
Post by: DeeDee on October 29, 2016, 10:23:18 AM


Does she have a box fort of some kind for hiding in?  If not, do get a box for her and line it with a shirt you have worn.



I wish I could find the post that someone made after she made something similar to this box/bed, but I can't. I think it was Lola that made it? I've always thought this was a neat design for cats to hide in:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MNjjfOjGkQ4
Title: Re: First time cat owner need help with kitten
Post by: LeFlame on October 29, 2016, 02:53:41 PM
When we got Lea the day before she was neutered she had all her shots and vaccines I made her a little box yesterday and put a an old shirt of mine in there.found her in the box this morning in the bathroom she is alone in my room from 7am to 2:30 when I come back home from school right now I have her in the bathroom for a bit until I'm done clean my room then IL let her back out.she is eating 1  Can a day.i feed her half a can in the morning and the other half at night.Lea let me pet her a bit but was hesitant at first and hissed of course I was only able to pet her because she was in the box and I could get near her.Ive been trying to meow at her when she is under my bed it seems to calm her but Lea won't come out from under the bed to play with me.As for a  scratching post Lea is using my bed but I just got her a  scratching post so who know she's might stop and  transition to the scratching post.
Title: Re: First time cat owner need help with kitten
Post by: Middle Child on October 29, 2016, 05:49:09 PM
How big of a can?  5.5 ounces? That's not really enough for a tiny kitten, and two feedings a day is not enough meals.  You need to feed her multiple meals a day, as much as she will eat.

Feed her in the morning before you leave for school.  Then ether leave another plate of food down, or have someone else in the household slip some food in to her in the middle of the day, around 11:00 a.m.  You can get it read and put it in a covered container in the fridge, all they have to do is take it out of the fridge, open the door and push the dish in, and shut the door.  Then feed her again when you come home, and then again right before you go to bed.

Remember she is just a little baby and babies need to eat very often. 

She had her spay the day after you brought her home?  I wonder if she is in pain.  The hissing often is an indication of pain. I think you better bring her in to see the vet to make sure her spay incision is healing okay.

That's great she is using the box with your shirt in it!  this will help her associate you with safety and comfort.
Title: Re: First time cat owner need help with kitten
Post by: LeFlame on October 29, 2016, 05:57:41 PM
I don't think she is in pain she seems fine.I'm sure she is just scared of me she only hisses when I get near or go to pet her.I'm not sure if we can afford to feed her that much besides she is eating well but I think 4 feedings is a bit too much for her.IL see if we can buy more cans and start to feed her more more.As for feeding her at 11am that's not really possible in my household I'm the only one caring for little Lea my mom doesn't like animals that's why it took a WHILE for her agree to get me a little kitten.On the bright side I may be the only one looking after Lea but she get all my love and attention as soon as I get home from school.
Title: Re: First time cat owner need help with kitten
Post by: DeeDee on October 29, 2016, 06:11:43 PM
I just remembered something. Vaccinations. Rabies. When she needs the rabies shot she's supposed to get a specific brand that's safer. If your vet doesn't have it, I know Tractor Supply clinics have them. It's Purvax if I'm remembering right. But sometimes you have to get pushy with vets to find out exactly what they're using.

I get my dog's rabies at Tractor Supply now b/c they have the 3-year rabies vaccine when none of the vets in this county will get it--though it's legal.

http://www.tractorsupply.com/landing-pages_pet-vet-clinic
Title: Re: First time cat owner need help with kitten
Post by: Middle Child on October 29, 2016, 06:20:16 PM
A 9 week old kitten has a very tiny stomach and needs to be fed often, just like any baby. yes, she needs to be fed four times a day. 

It's not about whether you can afford it or not, it's what a kitten needs.  You can't starve her just because you can't afford to feed her more than one can a day.  This is about what she needs to grow up healthy.

I will reiterate that she may be hissing because she is in pain and that makes her feel vulnerable. It is a common way for a cat to show pain.  IF she is in pain she will hiss to warn you away from her because she feels vulnerable.  Please check her incision to make sure it is not leaking or inflamed or red or split.

If you see anything like that you need to get her to the vet immediately.  An infection could kill her.

You have said this is your first cat and you don't know anything about cats.  We are experienced pet and cat owners and DO know. That's why you are here, to learn how to raise her and take care of her.

7-2:30 is a very long time for a kitten to be all alone. I am glad you stay with her the rest of the time, but it is going to delay her socialization. 

I can't stress this enough, you need to feed her more than twice a day.  When her tummy is empty it causes her pain.  It makes her feel sick.  Feed her before you leave the house, and leave another dish of food down for her, and feed her as soon as you get home and again before you go to bed. Her body is growing and is using enormous amounts of energy to do it. 

And kittens are very active. Once she has started to settle in and feels comfortable with you it will be time to start letting her explore the rest of the house. :)
Title: Re: First time cat owner need help with kitten
Post by: LeFlame on October 29, 2016, 06:35:25 PM
Well the good thing is we have plenty of food so I will start to feed her more.Also I know kittens need lots of attention but it has to get use to not seeing me all the time.The incision seems fine you can barley tell its there.Im sure the hissing is just because she is scared of humans.If I recall right this kitten was a feral the shelter grabed not too long before I got her.I don't mean to offend any of you I know your experts at cats and I'm just here to learn and I'm grateful that you guys are helping me though this experience.
Title: Re: First time cat owner need help with kitten
Post by: LeFlame on October 29, 2016, 06:44:05 PM
Also from what I'm seeing Lea is not starving she always leaves some food leftover so I'm sure she has plenty but hey why not I'm going to start to give her more if you guys think it's best
Title: Re: First time cat owner need help with kitten
Post by: Middle Child on October 29, 2016, 07:00:34 PM
She may be leaving it because it's too much all at once. :)  That's why it's important to feed her more often.  Her tummy is tiny and can't hold much.  A growing kitten will need up to 10 or 12 ounces a day.

Thats great that her spay incision is okay! bananamiddlechild

would love to see some pictures of her!
Title: Re: First time cat owner need help with kitten
Post by: Pookie on October 29, 2016, 08:52:36 PM
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  Lea let me pet her a bit but was hesitant at first and hissed of course I was only able to pet her because she was in the box and I could get near her.

Hold your hand, palm away from her, near her face and let her sniff you so she can get used to your scent, then see if you can lightly pet her.  I would suggest just starting with one brush of your hand, again to let her get used to you.  Too much might make her uncomfortable or more stressed.

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  A 9 week old kitten has a very tiny stomach and needs to be fed often, just like any baby. yes, she needs to be fed four times a day. 

It's not about whether you can afford it or not, it's what a kitten needs.  You can't starve her just because you can't afford to feed her more than one can a day.  This is about what she needs to grow up healthy.

Plus, she needs the food to help her heal from the spay.

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  I just remembered something. Vaccinations. Rabies. When she needs the rabies shot she's supposed to get a specific brand that's safer. If your vet doesn't have it, I know Tractor Supply clinics have them. It's Purvax if I'm remembering right. But sometimes you have to get pushy with vets to find out exactly what they're using.

I get my dog's rabies at Tractor Supply now b/c they have the 3-year rabies vaccine when none of the vets in this county will get it--though it's legal. 

What DeeDee is referring to is the Purevax vaccine by Merial.  It doesn’t include the adjuvants, which are chemicals that help stimulate the immune system.  Vaccines that contain adjuvants can cause VAS (vaccine-associated sarcoma) at the injection site, and the rabies vaccine is one of the biggest offenders.  Purevax is now available as a 3-year vaccine, which means less vaccinating over her lifetime.  Always a good thing, IMO.

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  She may be leaving it because it's too much all at once.    That's why it's important to feed her more often.  Her tummy is tiny and can't hold much. 

Agreed.  Just because she’s leaving the food out doesn’t mean she doesn’t need it.  Smaller portions and more frequent meals during the day would help, if that would be an option for you.  But MC is correct that she needs more food (total) during the day to help her grow.  Keep in mind, she won’t always need that much food.  Once she’s fully grown, she may only need 4-5 oz of wet food a day (again, multiple meals during the day), but for now, she needs the “extra” food.

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  If I recall right this kitten was a feral the shelter grabed not too long before I got her. 

If that’s the case than that would explain her behavior A LOT.  As MC said, patience.  It’s especially needed with ferals.  If she didn’t have any (or much) contact with humans until the shelter got her, it’s definitely going to take time.

HangInThere

would love to see some pictures of her!

 withoutpictures
Title: Re: First time cat owner need help with kitten
Post by: Lola on October 29, 2016, 08:56:16 PM
Good job thinking of putting one of your shirts in a box for her!  The smellier (your body smells) the shirt, the better.  :) 

Think of the kitten as a human baby, as far as feedings.  She will need to eat often and lots of it.  If she can't be fed often...  I would leave food out for her.  When you get home, if the food is nasty looking (and it will be)... dump it and open a new can.  Some food will be wasted, but you want her eating at least 10 oz a day. 
Half the world says canned food can't be left out for 10 to 12 hours.  The other half says it is okay.  You can only do what you can do.  I would go with leaving food out while you are gone. 

Edit to explain "smellier."  :)

Title: Re: First time cat owner need help with kitten
Post by: Pookie on October 29, 2016, 09:03:34 PM
Half the world says canned food can't be left out for 10 to 12 hours.  The other half says it is okay.  You can only do what you can do.  I would go with leaving food out while you are gone. 

Agreed.  I did that with Pookie, who was an adult when I got him on an all-wet diet.  There were many times that the food was gone when I got home 10 hours later.  I don't know when he ate it, obviously, but he did, and so far as I remember, he was fine (as much as he could be.  He was kibble-damaged since that's what I fed, with some canned, until he was almost 7 years old when I learned that the kibble was making him sick.  That's when I stopped the kibble completely).
Title: Re: First time cat owner need help with kitten
Post by: LeFlame on October 29, 2016, 11:45:32 PM
Lea is using her new scratching post.Is less scared of me I can tell because I just saw her looking at me from the corner  of my desk.I'm just going to leave her food out during the day and when I get back home give her some more and frequently check on the bowl to see if empty then I can just put some more in.Also I know you guys want pics but it won't let me send them from my gallery if anyone can explain how to I can post the 2-3 pictures if lea PS (I'm really bad technology sorry also my profil pic is a picture of Lea)
Title: Re: First time cat owner need help with kitten
Post by: Middle Child on October 30, 2016, 07:18:55 AM
Thanks for the update! So glad to hear she is doing better!

You can attach pictures from your computer.  Find the attachment option just below the reply box and click on that, then click browse.  That will take you to your files.
Title: Re: First time cat owner need help with kitten
Post by: LeFlame on October 30, 2016, 10:11:38 AM
How would I get the pictures from my phone to my coumputer(again sorry really bad with tech)
Title: Re: First time cat owner need help with kitten
Post by: Middle Child on October 30, 2016, 10:27:33 AM
How would I get the pictures from my phone to my coumputer(again sorry really bad with tech)

That I do not know, because I don't take pictures with a phone, I use a camera.  How did you get the picture in your avatar onto the computer?  Wouldn't it be the same method?

I thought all kids these days were high tech savvy. Another myth busted!  funny2 funny2 funny2
Title: Re: First time cat owner need help with kitten
Post by: LeFlame on October 30, 2016, 10:42:15 AM
I'm using my phone when I'm on the forums.I just remembered I can just send the pictures to my skype on my phone and then transfer them to my PC 
Title: Re: First time cat owner need help with kitten
Post by: LeFlame on October 30, 2016, 11:03:52 AM
Here's a picture of Lea in her box and eating some food.
Title: Re: First time cat owner need help with kitten
Post by: Pookie on October 30, 2016, 09:31:55 PM
Awww . . . she's purrty!   cat4
Title: Re: First time cat owner need help with kitten
Post by: Middle Child on October 31, 2016, 04:50:40 AM
What a precious baby girl!  I hope she made some progress with you over the weekend but don't worry if not.  She will.  Just go at her own pace.
Title: Re: First time cat owner need help with kitten
Post by: LeFlame on October 31, 2016, 05:55:08 AM
Yeah Lea made huge progress over the weekend.Ive been meowing at her and now she's started to look at me from far with interest and has started meowing herself.i think by the end of this week she might come out from her hideyhole.
Title: Re: First time cat owner need help with kitten
Post by: Lola on October 31, 2016, 01:37:31 PM
She is adorable!  Thanks for posting pictures.  :)

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Ive been meowing at her and now she's started to look at me from far with interest and has started meowing herself.

She is probably saying... "The dude speaks cat.  Cool!" 
Title: Re: First time cat owner need help with kitten
Post by: LeFlame on October 31, 2016, 03:54:03 PM
I gave her a full can this morning she's eaten it by halfway is Lea eating too little for a kitten?Usually  by the morning she will be done with the can.so she's still eating 1 can a day.
Title: Re: First time cat owner need help with kitten
Post by: Middle Child on October 31, 2016, 04:00:32 PM
I gave her a full can this morning she's eaten it by halfway is Lea eating too little for a kitten?Usually  by the morning she will be done with the can.so she's still eating 1 can a day.

You give her a whole can in the morning and she has it gone by the time you get home from school?

Give her another for the evening/overnight. :)

Or are you saying you give her one whole can and it takes her 24 hours to eat it?

Are these the 5.5 ounce cans?
Title: Re: First time cat owner need help with kitten
Post by: LeFlame on October 31, 2016, 04:11:53 PM
I'm not sure how big the cans are IL get back to you on that 1 but yes it takes her the whole day to eat 1 can.i give her a full can in the morning and by 9pm there's still a little bit that she eats over night.The brandi give her is friskies
Title: Re: First time cat owner need help with kitten
Post by: Lola on October 31, 2016, 06:53:21 PM
A kitten should be eating 10 to 12 oz of food a day.  I know it seems like a LOT, but it is what they need. 

If I remember correctly, Friskies comes in 5 oz cans.  If so, she needs TWO of those cans daily. 
Title: Re: First time cat owner need help with kitten
Post by: LeFlame on October 31, 2016, 07:15:56 PM
Well it's not that I'm not giving her the cans she's still eating the first 1
Title: Re: First time cat owner need help with kitten
Post by: LeFlame on October 31, 2016, 07:18:53 PM
Also just a little update on Lea I was at my desk and she's starting to play by the litter box so I looked at her and she looked back ran away the first time but then ignored me.so anyways a bit after that I saw her playing my my Tv so I went to play with her and she hisses like normal and hide under the tv so I got on the flier meowed at her a bit and then went to pet her and she freaked out and started hiding under the tv growl meowing and blinking at me slowly.im not really sure if this kitten can be tamed kinda starting to lose hope any tips would be great.
Title: Re: First time cat owner need help with kitten
Post by: Lola on October 31, 2016, 07:36:57 PM
Well it's not that I'm not giving her the cans she's still eating the first 1

The same food is down for 24 hours?
Title: Re: First time cat owner need help with kitten
Post by: LeFlame on October 31, 2016, 07:57:26 PM
Yeah it's the same food also any other way to get this kitten to stop being scared it's been a week in not sure it's going to come around if it's still that scared
Title: Re: First time cat owner need help with kitten
Post by: DeeDee on October 31, 2016, 08:08:10 PM
Did you buy all the same flavor, or different ones? Maybe make some notes about which flavors she seems to eat best, and then make sure you get those? Some animals are just finicky. Our corgi is the only corgi on earth that wasn't a pig until I changed his food completely. In his case, that was raw.

If she was a feral, she might prefer mice and bugs like crickets. Just throwing that out there as an idea about what might be happening.

Try seeing what happens if you scramble her an egg. You can't feed eggs alone, but it might up her food consumption.
Title: Re: First time cat owner need help with kitten
Post by: LeFlame on October 31, 2016, 08:30:32 PM
I'm not a 100% sure she was feral but I'm guessing the signs are hissing and extreme fear of humans.also for food she's eating chicken flavor turkey flavor and tuna flavor I'm not sure which one Lea likes best but I'm not really concerned on the food more on her behavior.Im not sure if it's normal but after a week I though we made some real progress with her but she's still hissing and growling and hiding.il give her until December if by then if she's still acting up I'm just going to take her back to the shelter.
Title: Re: First time cat owner need help with kitten
Post by: Middle Child on October 31, 2016, 08:37:52 PM
LeFlame, I mean this is the nicest way possible.  But if you are going to give her up, the time to do it is now.  Bring her back now, so they can re-evaluate her and find her a more appropriate home, or possibly a foster to socialize her, while she is still little and cute and tamable.

Take some time to meet the other cats there. Maybe find an older cat, still young, but one who is properly socialized and used to living with people.  One who can be let to roam around the whole house, and curl up in a window or on a lap,  like a happy cat should and will.

Lea needs very special skilled handling.  She needs to be placed with someone who is very experienced not only with cats in general, but with cats like Lea.

Please do think about what I am saying.  I am not accusing you or blaming you.  You have not done anything wrong, you have really taken the best care you could of her, and have worked hard at following our suggestions. I think you have done well, but she is beyond your current knowledge and skill.

The shelter should have done a better job matching you with the right kitty.

Lea needs someone with much more experience and skill with socializing than you have at this time in your life.

After bringing Lea back, you might decide to take a break and volunteer at the shelter for a while, getting to know the other cats, and getting to know cats, in general.
Title: Re: First time cat owner need help with kitten
Post by: LeFlame on October 31, 2016, 08:48:52 PM
First of all I'm not giving up on Lea and I'm sure she will come around eventually.Im just going to give her more space the whole time I've had her I've been looking for her and trying to get her attention it's clear she wants to be alone until she is ready.the reason I don't have her runing  throughout my house is not because I can't or don't want to it is because I had been recommended to keep them to 1 room only until they are use to you.so I'm just going to give her a month I'm by December She will be a cute and cuddly cat if not if she's made any progress il keep at it.
Title: Re: First time cat owner need help with kitten
Post by: LeFlame on October 31, 2016, 08:53:55 PM
Also you don't need to know everything about cats to have a cat.think about when you all got your first cat you probably didn't know much or as much as you know now.theres a first time for everything and Lea is going to be my first cat even if it takes months for her to come around.Also this is not the first pet I've had I've had many dogs as pets and have 1 right now in the yard I know that pets take a while to come around and get use to you I just didn't expect Lea to take this long.From most people I know they've told me a kitten come around in a few days so I expected that from Lea.
Title: Re: First time cat owner need help with kitten
Post by: Middle Child on October 31, 2016, 08:57:27 PM
Yes, I think we mentioned in the beginning that you can't force yourself on her, you have to let her come to you, I thought you were doing that already?

And yes. keeping her to one room until she adjusts is the right thing to do also. 

Like I said I am not blaming you for anything..

I think it is very responsible of you to want to give her more time but please do consider what is best for her too.

A week is a very short time, and a month is also not very much time when you are dealing with a kitten like Lea. A kitten like her can take many months to adjust.  And after another month, giving her up, if she hasn't adjusted as quickly as you hoped,  will be very traumatic for her.  So if you are going to do it, now is the right time to do it, for HER.

That's what I meant..

But if you are going to keep on, of course we are going to keep trying to help you both! :)
Title: Re: First time cat owner need help with kitten
Post by: Middle Child on October 31, 2016, 09:07:14 PM
Also you don't need to know everything about cats to have a cat.think about when you all got your first cat you probably didn't know much or as much as you know now.theres a first time for everything and Lea is going to be my first cat even if it takes months for her to come around.Also this is not the first pet I've had I've had many dogs as pets and have 1 right now in the yard I know that pets take a while to come around and get use to you I just didn't expect Lea to take this long.From most people I know they've told me a kitten come around in a few days so I expected that from Lea.

There's no point in making comparisons to other kittens or cats.  Lea is a special case, and that's what you are dealing with.

I never said you need to know everything.  I said that Lea is not socialized and an un-socialized kitten can take skill and experience to bring around. Being impatient and expecting her to become a cuddly kitten in a week, just because someone told you that's what kittens do, is not realistic.

The fact is, Lea may never be a cuddly kitten.  Some cats aren't. It's just their personalities to not be. That's why, if someone wants certain characteristics, it is better to go for an older, already socialized, kitten or young cat.

So you have to make up your mind to accept her, no matter what she turns out to be like.

Raising a kitten like Lea offers many wonderful rewards, but those rewards are a long time coming. 

It's hugely gratifying and humbling when a scared innocent soul begins to trust you, there is nothing like it, but it has to be done on her schedule, not yours.  It may take many months, it may not.  But putting a time stamp on it "one more month" is not a useful way to think.  You need to be patient and go at her speed, and forget about your own expectations.  This is all about Lea, not you.

That is what I mean about being experienced and skilled with working with special needs kittens like Lea.  it's something you learn with experience.  How to go very very slowly.

I am not saying you can't do it. I don't know you.  But I do know about socializing kittens like Lea, and I know you have to lower your expectations of what will happen with her and when.
Title: Re: First time cat owner need help with kitten
Post by: Middle Child on October 31, 2016, 09:21:17 PM
It's long past my bedtime but I just want to say one more thing.  I don't know if you've been browsing the forum much but if you have you've seen a lot of posts from me about my Mazy cat.  She's over 12 years old now but she was an un-socialized wild thing when I brought her home from the shelter when she was 6 months old. 

It took three years for me to be even able to pet her.  She sent me to the ER twice with bad bites. The other bites weren't bad enough to need treatment.  She's a loving cat now, but still has boundaries I have to respect.

Queen Eva is just past 6.  She was only 8 weeks old when I rescued her and had been abused.  She did not allow any handling at all for a very long time.  She still screams bloody murder when I have to hold her for something, like nail trims for instance.

Every cat is different, but I wanted you to know that I do know what I am talking about.

I do hope you and Lea can make it work together. And I'll do all I can, we all will, to help you.  But just, please, don't put time limitation on her.  Either commit to her now, or give her up, now, so she has a better chance to find the right home, if yours isn't it.
Title: Re: First time cat owner need help with kitten
Post by: Pookie on October 31, 2016, 09:28:14 PM
Also just a little update on Lea I was at my desk and she's starting to play by the litter box so I looked at her and she looked back ran away the first time but then ignored me.so anyways a bit after that I saw her playing my my Tv so I went to play with her and she hisses like normal and hide under the tv so I got on the flier meowed at her a bit and then went to pet her and she freaked out and started hiding under the tv growl meowing
 
The fact that she "freaked" means she needs you so slow down and keep your distance.  It was way too soon to try to pet her.

Middle Child gave you some very good advice.  My sister adopted some kittens that were born just outside her home.  They have lived with her for several years now, and they tolerate some petting, one more than the other, but are not as cuddly as other cats she's lived with.  There is one cat that she adopted who was also born outside, I think it was a few months old already when she got it, that still won't let allow petting.

All cats are different, and you can't expect Lea to fit what other people say.  She is unique, and Lea has to be Lea.  That may mean she becomes a cuddle-bug, but you also have to prepare yourself for the possibility that she may never be a cuddle bug.

MC is right.  You have to do what is best for Lea.  That's what good pet parents do.  Giving her a time limit isn't fair to her.  So seriously think about whether you are prepared to accept that she may never be as cuddly as you would like, or as quickly as you would like.  If you're willing to give her all the time in the world, and accept her and love her even if she never lets you pet her, then keep her.  If not, then I would agree with MC about returning her.  I know that's incredibly hard.  I speak from experience.  I had to surrender a kitty of my own, who had lived with me for almost 7 years.  I loved her dearly, and it broke my heart.  But I did it because I knew I couldn't give her the care she needed, and that it was best for her to be with someone who could give her that care.

Don't make any rash decisions, just please think long and hard about your expectations for Lea, and what is truly best for her.

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  But just, please, don't put time limitation on her.  Either commit to her now, or give her up, now, so she has a better chance to find the right home, if yours isn't it. 

Well said.
Title: Re: First time cat owner need help with kitten
Post by: LeFlame on November 01, 2016, 05:59:06 AM
I never said I'm only giving her a month I'm saying if in a month there is no progress which I'm sure there will be I'm going to have to take her back.i don't really care if she's cuddly or if she's not I just want to have a cat I don't need my cat to be all loving.
Title: Re: First time cat owner need help with kitten
Post by: Middle Child on November 01, 2016, 06:45:12 AM
I'm sure you must be growing attached to Lea already.

 Don't be surprised if her first breakthrough is joining you on your bed after you fall asleep!  Cats love a warm spot, and the warmest place in your room is going to be you, sleeping in the bed.

If this happens it is very important that you don't react in a physical way!

 Resist the urge to reach for her, if you wake and find her curled up with you in your bed.  Talk softly to her, and if she jumps down as soon as she sees you wake up, let her.

The key is to show her she can trust you.  Show her you aren't going to grab at her or touch her, until she is ready.  Just keep talking to her, in a soft voice, and using her name a lot.

Once she realizes you aren't going to go past her boundaries, she will begin to trust you. I can't say how long it will take. Probably more than a month.

But we're here to support and cheer you both on!
Title: Re: First time cat owner need help with kitten
Post by: Pookie on November 01, 2016, 07:04:16 AM
Don't be surprised if her first breakthrough is joining you on your bed after you fall asleep!  Cats love a warm spot, and the warmest place in your room is going to be you, sleeping in the bed.

If this happens it is very important that you don't react in a physical way!

 Resist the urge to reach for her, if you wake and find her curled up with you in your bed.  Talk softly to her, and if she jumps down as soon as she sees you wake up, let her.

The key is to show her she can trust you.  Show her you aren't going to grab at her or touch her, until she is ready.  Just keep talking to her, in a soft voice, and using her name a lot.

Once she realizes you aren't going to go past her boundaries, she will begin to trust you. I can't say how long it will take. Probably more than a month.

But we're here to support and cheer you both on!

Excellent advice.   thumbsup1 thumbsup1 DrLisaPiersonWorthy DrLisaPiersonWorthy

1.  Go SLOW
2.  Let her come to you and make the first move.  ALWAYS.
3.  Don't push her.  Again, as MC said, don't go past her boundaries.  Doing so will only make you go back in steps.
4.  Patience, patience, patience, patience, patience.  And then more patience.
Title: Re: First time cat owner need help with kitten
Post by: LeFlame on November 01, 2016, 07:47:15 AM
I got her a little cat bed and she loves to go to my bathroom because I have her a little box in there with one of my old shirts so I doubt that il find her on my bed also she's only on the ground haven't seen her climb or jump around anywhere.
Title: Re: First time cat owner need help with kitten
Post by: Middle Child on November 01, 2016, 01:01:47 PM
I got her a little cat bed and she loves to go to my bathroom because I have her a little box in there with one of my old shirts so I doubt that il find her on my bed also she's only on the ground haven't seen her climb or jump around anywhere.

Yes, that's to be expected in these early days.  That's why I referred to a breakthrough. Cats do like a warm spot, and as she becomes more settled and starts to get used to your habits and routines, she will begin to notice that at night you are still and quiet. 

She'll want to explore up there and when she does, she'll discover a nice warm spot around your legs to curl up in, possibly.

I don't mean this will happen tonight or even tomorrow night. It may even be months before she feels safe enough for that kind of exploration. I just wanted you to be prepared for it, when it does happen so you don't scare her if you wake up and see her curled up against your legs or back.

There's bound to be forward steps and backward steps.  It's all part of living with an unsocialized kitty.  HeadButt

If that happens you want to remean very quiet and stil and calm, so as not to frighten her.
Title: Re: First time cat owner need help with kitten
Post by: LeFlame on November 01, 2016, 01:37:55 PM
Update on Lea my mom went to give her some food and she bit and started scrating my mom.Any way my mom wants to take her back because it's not fear that Leas showing anymore its aggression.Well it's been a fun ride with Lea it will pain me to have to give her back I was getting attached but hell I think this kitten won't ever be tame or mabe someone will take her in and take her I don't really know.Also I got Lea at a shelter event at tropical park so I was not matched with her I just picked her.well this has still been a lesson don't pick the cat that's hissing in the cage
Title: Re: First time cat owner need help with kitten
Post by: Middle Child on November 01, 2016, 04:20:04 PM
Update on Lea my mom went to give her some food and she bit and started scrating my mom.Any way my mom wants to take her back because it's not fear that Leas showing anymore its aggression.Well it's been a fun ride with Lea it will pain me to have to give her back I was getting attached but hell I think this kitten won't ever be tame or mabe someone will take her in and take her I don't really know.Also I got Lea at a shelter event at tropical park so I was not matched with her I just picked her.well this has still been a lesson don't pick the cat that's hissing in the cage

Okay, yes please do take her back.  Today if possible.  Make sure you tell them that she is un-socialized, did not interact with you and is biting in fear.  Yes, it is still fear causing her to act this way.   Biting is what cats do when they are afraid and pushed beyond their limits.  She is terrified and has no coping skills, she never learned any.  She barely knows you and your mother is a complete stranger.

 It was good of your mother to try to feed her, but it's clear this is not a good match.

I do hope your mother didn't scream at her or hit her?  That would make her completely shut down.

It is important to be honest with them so they won't put her up to just anyone next time.  She needs special handling by someone experienced and skilled with un-socialized kittens. She is not a good candidate for adoption events.  She needs to be placed in foster care and socialized properly.  Don't worry, the shelter will know what to do for her.  Just be honest about why you are bringing her back

You are doing the right thing, very unselfish of you to do this.   Thank you.
Title: Re: First time cat owner need help with kitten
Post by: LeFlame on November 01, 2016, 08:57:11 PM
Yeah she needs special care also I've been aware that she's scared that's why she hisses and bites but it's gone to a new level she gets aggressive and goes up to you to bite you. also my neighbor gave me one of his outdoor kittens I'd say about 6 months.this new kitten is not scared of me she fell asleep as I pet her.i guess Lea is really a special case If a cat I met today less then10 hours ago is already taking a liking to me then Lea needs a pro to teach her.This new cat I don't have a name for her yet she needs her vacancies and to be neutered is the operation long or will the cat be home with me the same day?
Title: Re: First time cat owner need help with kitten
Post by: LeFlame on November 01, 2016, 09:24:38 PM
Also my neighbor just gave me the cat but it's not registered and has never been to the vet so I'm sure they are going to probe her a bit.my future posts will be about this new cat it is sad to see Lea also she's not starving she's really fat this new cat for sure is starving and is very skinny because it was part of a litter of its parents it's sister and her older brother so like 5 including her so she hasn't been able to eat much.the new kitten is friendly and rubs it's self on me still probably not going to get much sleep for some days this is the first time it's away from mom and dad.also I wouldn't call this kitten feral or tame more like a bit wild but trusting of humans.Also after playing with the kitten and hearing it seems sick like if it had a bad cold or bronchitis
Title: Re: First time cat owner need help with kitten
Post by: Lola on November 01, 2016, 09:50:28 PM
Sorry to hear Lea's adoption didn't work out.  Is she back at the shelter already?  If not, how is she doing with the other new cat?
Title: Re: First time cat owner need help with kitten
Post by: LeFlame on November 01, 2016, 10:11:25 PM
I have Lea separated from the other kitten still think on a name this one is a keeper for sure I'm just worried about the weezing.Lea is in the bath room while the other kitten is in my room this kitten is not use to being petted but rubs her self on me.im not sure if I can use the same carrier for both kittens.i have to get the new kitten all fixed up at the shelter she needs vacinces and to be neutered.Also any idea how long the operation takes or if she can come home with me the same day.When I got Lea she was all set and ready.Also I think it's not Leas fault for acting the way she is I just think the shelter shouldn't have taken her to an even like that and should have worked with her to tell you the truth I'm scared that no one will adopt Lea and that she will be put to sleep that's why I wanted to wait and give her time but my mom thinks it's best to just take her back.
Title: Re: First time cat owner need help with kitten
Post by: Middle Child on November 02, 2016, 04:55:58 AM
You need to take Lea back to the shelter before she catches something from the other kitten.  It's not right to keep her shut in the bathroom like that. Please bring her back today.

They won't kill Lea, I looked up the shelter you adopted her from, they are a no kill shelter. Just bring her back, today, please.

The new kitten does need to go to the vet right away. The vet will examine her and diagnose her upper respiratory infection (URI) She will probably be put on antibiotics.  She will need to be de-fleaed and de-wormed. and put some weight on before being spayed. The vaccinations wil be given in a series, kittens can't have full doses all at once.  So you will have to bring her back a few times over the next few months.

The spay surgery is a one day surgery, most vets do not keep them overnight.  You will have to not feed her after a certain time the night before, then take her to the vet in the morning and leave her there.  She will have her surgery and then you will bring her home in the evening.
Title: Re: First time cat owner need help with kitten
Post by: LeFlame on November 02, 2016, 06:19:46 AM
Lea is use to being in the bathroom that's why I put her there also because I don't want her getting anything from the new kitten.im going to take her back today if I can.Also how did you find the shelter btw Leas name is just the name I gave her the shelter called her titi I'm not sure you found the right shelter.Also the new kitten is so skinny Lea weighs more then her but this kitten is very sweet and loving in its own way it came to me and walked up my lap and back down slowly not scaredly though.
Title: Re: First time cat owner need help with kitten
Post by: Middle Child on November 02, 2016, 06:29:51 AM
You mentioned the adoption event where you adopted Lea, and I just searched for it.

 Even with Lea in the bathroom she is at risk for catching disease from the sickly barn kitten. At 9 weeks old she has not had all her immunization vaccines and is at very high risk.

  The sooner she is returned, the better her chances of not only staying healthy, but getting the proper care and socialization she needs.

Once she is safely returned you can concentrate on the new kitten.

 If the barn kitten has been in the carrier you intend to use for Lea, it needs to be disinfected before putting Lea into it. Wash it with hot soapy water, and rinse it well, then dry it.
Title: Re: First time cat owner need help with kitten
Post by: LeFlame on November 02, 2016, 06:55:23 AM
Leas carrier box I got from the event is clean now I just need a box for the new kitten.Also lea has all her shots I have her papers somewhere in my desk.yeah the new kitten doesn't have a carrier I'm just going to use a box low on money from all the cat stuff I've bought this past month.
Title: Re: First time cat owner need help with kitten
Post by: Pookie on November 02, 2016, 07:02:16 AM
Be sure to take her papers back with her.  The box for the other kitten needs a lit, with holes in it so he/she can breathe.  I would also recommend puttings newspapers or a towel in the bottom of the box to make the cat more comfortable, and it case it urinates.

Do me a favor:  when you take Lea back, tell her in a calm voice, that while you love her, you just can't provide the care she needs, so you're taking her to people who will.  Animals understand more than we think, and she needs to know.  Thank you.
Title: Re: First time cat owner need help with kitten
Post by: LeFlame on November 02, 2016, 07:31:48 AM
Yeah I'm just going to make the new kitten a box until I can buy a carrier.Also main reason Lea is in the bathroom is so I can grab her and put her in the carrier without her runing hiding or biting.
Title: Re: First time cat owner need help with kitten
Post by: Middle Child on November 02, 2016, 01:00:59 PM
Leas carrier box I got from the event is clean now I just need a box for the new kitten.Also lea has all her shots I have her papers somewhere in my desk.yeah the new kitten doesn't have a carrier I'm just going to use a box low on money from all the cat stuff I've bought this past month.

If she is only 9 weeks old, 8 when she came home with you, this is not possible.  Kittens have to have series of shots, and the rabies vaccine is not given until at least 12 weeks.  At the most she will have only had her first FVCRP and possibly her first FeLV.

Follow up visits for the remaining shots in the series would have to be scheduled.  The only reason this matters right now is that she is NOT protected from anything the other kitten may have.

I hope you will return Lea today. The sooner she is brought back, the less stress she is going to suffer, and the better her future will be.

 If the carrier belongs to you, when you bring Lea back you will keep the carrier.  If it belongs to the shelter, of course they will keep it and you should get a new one for the new kitten. A "box" is not adequate or appropriate, you need a secure carrier specifically made to carry pets.

Once Lea is returned you need to get the new kitten to the vet right away.  She needs to be tested for diseases, FeLV, FIV and heartworm.  She needs to be de-flead and de-wormed or your room will soon be full of fleas. And she needs treatment for that URI, and to make sure she isn't pregnant.


Title: Re: First time cat owner need help with kitten
Post by: LeFlame on November 02, 2016, 01:45:11 PM
Both kittens are going today I'm about to take themin about 20 mins the carrier is mine and a box will be fine for now.Any tips to potty train this new kitten ales just went to the box but it's this kittens first time seeing one so I had a nice little surprise under my bed this morning
Title: Re: First time cat owner need help with kitten
Post by: DeeDee on November 02, 2016, 02:53:12 PM
Any tips to potty train this new kitten ales just went to the box but it's this kittens first time seeing one so I had a nice little surprise under my bed this morning

Watch Jackson Galaxy's litter videos

https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=jackson+galaxy+litter+box
Title: Re: First time cat owner need help with kitten
Post by: LeFlame on November 02, 2016, 03:54:00 PM
Was unable to return Lea today had a surprise doctors appointment I returned the other cat back to its family I think it's best to leave it there it's already use to being outside not indoors.for some of you that want me to return her right away chill 1 more day won't do Lea harm.
Title: Re: First time cat owner need help with kitten
Post by: LeFlame on November 02, 2016, 06:13:43 PM
 I just going to return lea tomorrow Lea.God I'm  starting to see why people don't like cats over dogs but I'm going to give em a shot and get a nice kitten from the shelter mostly because I've spent too much money on litter food and toys I cant back down now.
Title: Re: First time cat owner need help with kitten
Post by: Middle Child on November 02, 2016, 06:23:15 PM
You can donate the food and litter to the shelter when you bring Lea back.  They will be very glad to have it. :)
Title: Re: First time cat owner need help with kitten
Post by: LeFlame on November 02, 2016, 07:25:38 PM
Hell no that cost money besides I'm going to take a break for a few weeks and see if I still want a cat no more kittens tho if I get a cat I'm getting a grow cat that's been domesticated no more ferals I don't have the experience to take care of em.
Title: Re: First time cat owner need help with kitten
Post by: Lola on November 02, 2016, 07:33:57 PM
I'm confused. 
Lea is going back to shelter tomorrow?
New other cat is going back home?
Title: Re: First time cat owner need help with kitten
Post by: LeFlame on November 02, 2016, 08:39:12 PM
The new cat is already back with its family I took it back around 5 lea going to the shelter to get the care she needs.
Title: Re: First time cat owner need help with kitten
Post by: Lola on November 02, 2016, 09:21:42 PM
Thanks for the explanation. 

Good call on giving back the neighbor's cat.  If money is already tight for you, a vet visit for the sickness going on with the cat, vaccinations, spay/neuter, etc. ... costs would add up fast. 

Maybe you could volunteer at the shelter that Lea came from.  Cat experience would be good for you AND the cats.  :)


Title: Re: First time cat owner need help with kitten
Post by: LeFlame on November 03, 2016, 05:29:55 AM
I can't volunteer at the shelter I get too much hw from my AP classes so I'm always busy and the shelter is a good hour from me wouldn't work out I'm going to give Lea back and take a break with cats money's not that tight I just don't want my house full of fleas for the time being so I returned the other cat back to my neighbor.
Title: Re: First time cat owner need help with kitten
Post by: Middle Child on November 03, 2016, 03:29:40 PM
I look forward to hearing how Lea's return went.  I hope you decided to go ahead and donate the supplies too. :)
Title: Re: First time cat owner need help with kitten
Post by: Lola on November 05, 2016, 10:59:53 AM
Any updates?
Title: Re: First time cat owner need help with kitten
Post by: LeFlame on November 09, 2016, 08:56:41 PM
Hey guys it's been a while.When I was in school my parents took lea back they put her in a special cage after we told them she was a special needs kitten.i hope it worked out with that kitten.Also I've been learning more about cats and going to my neighbors house when I have a break to play with his cats.He informed me that one of his cats is pregnant and told me I could get a kitten.Only problem is I don't know when I can take the kitten from its mother 4-5 weeks good enough?i know that's when they transition to dry or wet food.Also I know normal kittens should stay with there moms until at least 8 weeks but I also know that to socialize a wild feral kitten it must be at 4-5 weeks.Keep in mind my neighbors cats are all outdoor and none have vaccines so I just want to separate the kitten as fast as possible to prevent  diseases or sickness.
Title: Re: First time cat owner need help with kitten
Post by: Middle Child on November 10, 2016, 04:58:12 AM
Kittens need to stay with their mother and litter mates until at least 10 weeks, TEN WEEKS, and twelve weeks is better. They learn important socializing behaviors in those extra four weeks.  Bite inhibition for example.

In your situation you should take two kittens so they have each other for company. At 10 weeks. No sooner.

Your neighbor should take that pregnant cat to the vet and have her spayed.  He is extremely irresponsible for not doing it already.  This world already has too many unwanted kittens and cats because of people like him. Sick and dying and suffering.

 The kittens from that poor cat could already be in poor health, inbred, who knows what the mother has been fed, with no vaccines, no vet care, you are setting yourself up for disaster.

Title: Re: First time cat owner need help with kitten
Post by: LeFlame on November 10, 2016, 05:55:41 AM
My neighbor is not going to take his cats to the vet.In my culture animals are left to do there own thing and aren't taken care of it's always made me angry that's why I want to be different with my animals and take care of them.Also if it's ten weeks that's fine I can just go over and play with the kittens in the time being again can't get two kittens so I'll just wait it out.Besides if the kittens are sick the vet should be able to fix them up with some medication.
Title: Re: First time cat owner need help with kitten
Post by: LeFlame on November 10, 2016, 06:05:30 AM
Also lea was put up for adoption at 8 weeks she knew everything like biting and eating grooming.i may just grab the kitten when it's 8 weeks and take it to the vet right way.Also I can already tell you guys are going to be angry with the neighbor not taking his cats to the vet ever but it's just the way it is.the cats get feed dry and caned food by him and they all stay in his backyard all day long also the kittens may be inbred but someone has to take them it would be a better life for them then outside with out vaccines or anything but hey that's just my 2cents.
Title: Re: First time cat owner need help with kitten
Post by: Middle Child on November 10, 2016, 06:37:11 AM
My neighbor is not going to take his cats to the vet.In my culture animals are left to do there own thing and aren't taken care of it's always made me angry that's why I want to be different with my animals and take care of them.Also if it's ten weeks that's fine I can just go over and play with the kittens in the time being again can't get two kittens so I'll just wait it out.Besides if the kittens are sick the vet should be able to fix them up with some medication.


It's not always that simple.  For some diseases, especially the kind that cats get who are bred in those conditions, there are no cures, just lots of money, work and heart break.

Anyway you asked, so I gave my opinion.  Of course I will try to help you with any kitten you adopt, but you don't take advice very well, you seem to ignore or argue against anything you are advised by experienced knowledgeable people,  so I'm not sure how much good it will do.
Title: Re: First time cat owner need help with kitten
Post by: LeFlame on November 10, 2016, 07:43:07 AM
Well I mean I will take your advice and it helps but I want knowledge so I can make my own choices.if you tell me no that's a bad kitten it could be inbred don't get I just don't understand why you wouldn't want me to. Also I've been hagging around the mother she seems healthy no problems on the outside.Now of course I'm not going to pay to get a cat a surgery or so expensive medication I don't have money to waste on that.I'm just saying I'm getting the kitten when it's around 8 weeks to socialize it.Also be patient with me I like to argue just the way I am but I do like getting advice from you all it helps but I not going to follow it 100%.For example I can't buy special cat products a like  cat tree not because I can't my parents really don't like animals I'm the only 1 that does in my family(mainly because of the culture that we come from)but even so my mom is letting me have a kitten indoors we have never had a pet indoors besides Lea.All of my animals have always been outside and never to the vet I've always want to take them but my father has always shot me down.
Title: Re: First time cat owner need help with kitten
Post by: Pookie on November 10, 2016, 10:02:17 AM
Now of course I'm not going to pay to get a cat a surgery or so expensive medication I don't have money to waste on that.

Waste?   :o  If you consider surgery or medication a "waste" then you shouldn't have a pet.  Period.  This is another living creature, and there may come a time when it needs surgery (for example, dental care) or medication.  If you don't have the money for even basic pet care like spaying/neutering or medication when needed, then you should not have a pet.  Period.  Frankly, I'm appalled and horrified at your attitude.

For example I can't buy special cat products a like  cat tree not because I can't my parents really don't like animals

Cats need special furniture like cat trees.  They need to jump, climb and scratch, and cat trees allow them to do all of those things.  If you don't have them, how upset will your mother be when the cat destroys the furniture?

My advice, which I suspect you will ignore, is to hold off on having a pet until you are on your own and financially able to care for one.  But the fact that you are, for the most part, ignoring what will be best for the cat because of finances or other reasons, tells me that it is NOT a good idea for you to have a pet at this time.  Volunteer at a shelter if you want to be with animals.  You'll have the enjoyment without the financial responsibility.
Title: Re: First time cat owner need help with kitten
Post by: LeFlame on November 10, 2016, 10:22:04 AM
First of all I already have a cat board for it to scratch also it's a waste because I don't know the kitten so I'm not going to blow 200-300 dollars on a cat I don't even own for at least a year.it can't have a cat tree I'm looking to take care of it not have it treated like a king or queen it is an animal nothing more.Also I do have money to spray and get it it's vaccines the person you are referring to is my neighbor he has not and will not spray his cats.The way I see it the cat will be better off with me in a house not runing around outside getting into fights or getting runover. I don't see an operation as a waste of money but if I take the kitten and they tell me it need an operation NO I don't know this kitten why should I waste money on it.Now now I know your going to be wow you're horrible but would pay to save every cat in this damn world?No because you can't afford it even if you want to.If the cat gets sick and need an operation then yes I will pay I've been saving money for stuff like this but I need to atleast get attached to it not just operate a random cat from my neighborhood.
Title: Re: First time cat owner need help with kitten
Post by: DeeDee on November 10, 2016, 10:35:15 AM
I have a question. Are you thinking that it will be really easy to just get another one if this one dies on you due to lack of medical care? I don't have cats, but I know for a fact that they can be just as much of a cost issue as dogs can.

Let's throw some reality out here. I have a dog with Addison's disease. Between the emergency vet and his regular vet getting him stable and all the tests to diagnose him, we threw out almost $4,000 from a Thursday to the next Monday. It was that or let him die. He's a member of the family so he's still alive.

Now cats are more rare to get things like Addison's, but it DOES happen. They cost just as much to treat when the Addison's crisis occurs.

That $4,000 wasn't the last of it either. He requires almost $100 a month in medical costs--FOR THE REST OF HIS LIFE. He's not even 5 yet, but he should live at least 12 years. That's about $8,400 in future costs as long as nothing else happens to him. I can tell you for a fact, as an animal ages, things ARE going to happen.

Now if you're of the mindset that I shouldn't have spent this much, and continue to spend this much, on a dog since it's "just a dog," I agree with everyone else. You don't need another pet.

My mindset is this. They're family members. They deserve just as much as the humans in this family do. They deserve a good place to live INSIDE the house so that they're not killed by the elements; they deserve good food; and they deserve good medical care to keep them from feeling crappy or just keep them alive.

So, if you can't think about it like I do, or can't afford or are willing to give even the most basic of medical care (never-mind what might come up in the future the way it did with us), then no. I don't think you need another pet.
Title: Re: First time cat owner need help with kitten
Post by: LeFlame on November 10, 2016, 10:44:12 AM
First of all most of my friends have cats yet  they do not have cat trees just a board for them to destroy.Also you Americans are too emotional when it comes to animals calm down I came her for tips not your a bad owner or don't get a cat or this or that I want tips not criticism.you must realize not every cat kitten dog lizard bird or hamster is going to live like yours I'm making the best of my situation and trying to provide a home for a kitten that is soon to be born this cat will grow up with me and live with me for the rest of its life and yes I will most likely get it get accommodations like the damn cat tree but not now later when I'm 18 get some money.Now the reason my family can't spend too much is because about 8 years ago my father had a stroke a little after that had a heart operation and is retired.Because of this my mom has to go work and be the man of the house.My parents are immigrants from Cuba if you know Cuba you know it's not a nice place my mother came to the USA when she was about 35 soon after she had me so she never was able to study here so her job does not pay very well and she doesn't know any English.Also because in Cuba every cat dog or animal is always roaming out in yards sick full of fleas or dying Cubans don't really care for animals and have the mind set that they are all dirty like in Cuba.I know you all think I just some know most of you think I'm just that a** kid that's going to get bored of the cat and neglect it.im not I really have been wanting a little buddy to keep me company.Also was about to post this then I saw the new reply no I don't think of animals as family I think of they as friends not family friends I wouldn't be able to pay 4000 dollars.my grandmother may her soul rest died of breast cancer because we couldn't afford the chemo and she didn't want us to live in bet so she just let it take her.So for this big block of text I usually don't talk about my life but I felt a bit emotional today.
Title: Re: First time cat owner need help with kitten
Post by: DeeDee on November 10, 2016, 11:13:43 AM
Well if you don't get the basic care and vaccinations, you're looking at the high possibility of the kitten getting feline AIDS or leukemia. Especially when you live around cats that are loose all the time. So, you'll just watch it die.
Title: Re: First time cat owner need help with kitten
Post by: LeFlame on November 10, 2016, 11:44:37 AM
Well I'm going to take it to the vet as soon as possible besides it hasn't even been born yet.I guess we'll see what happens in the coming days.Also the cat won't be loose after I adopt it it will be indoor but for the time after it's birth it's going to be with the mom cat outside until I can take it away from its mom
Title: Re: First time cat owner need help with kitten
Post by: Middle Child on November 10, 2016, 12:54:37 PM
Regardless of what your culture views animals as, the fact remains that cats and other domesticated animals are sentient beings with needs and feelings.

  Just because your "culture" views animals as things, disposable objects, doesn't make it right. Sounds like a major cop out to me,  a lame excuse to neglect and abuse animals. And it's against the law.

Cats feel pain.  They feel sickness.  They feel love.  They feel fear.  They need an environment that meets their needs not just being closed up in a room left alone.

You talk about not "wasting" money, but if you take an animal in, there are legal requirements, including medical care.  And let me tell you if you don't provide environment enrichment such as furniture for a cat to scratch and climb and jump on, you are going to have behavior problems.

You want "tips" and "knowledge" but you "like to argue".  That's not how it works here.  this forum is dedicated and devoted to our pets, and any other pets' well being, both physical and mental.

Differing opinions is one thing, debate is fine,  but animal neglect is not tolerated.

You come in here talking about wasting money and not providing medical care or the basic needs for an indoor cat, that is just BS.

First you claim poverty you can't afford this, you can't afford that. Which means there is no reason whatsoever for you to take on an animal if you and your family is so dirt poor.

They you claim you've saved all this money to spend on the kitten.

You're full of it.  I pity any animal that comes under your hands, but I want no more to do with anything you have to say.

In this forum we care about animals and strive to provide the best care, the best health, the best diet. You have no interest in providing any of that to any animal, so I don't want to expose myself to any more of your hogwash.

If you care so very much about going againt this "culture" and providing an animal decent care you will not be getting an animal at all, because you can NOT provide decent care.  Your home is not suitable for any living creature with four legs.  Your parents don't want a cat, you have no money to pay for anything a cat needs, there is no reason for you to take in a cat at all and a hundred reasons why you shouldn't.
Title: Re: First time cat owner need help with kitten
Post by: LeFlame on November 10, 2016, 01:05:02 PM
Wow just wow I guess you don't know how to read middle child.Ive stated in my previous post that cat is going to the damn vet it's getting its shots and it's all going to be good.I am very aware that a cat has feelings that the hell do you think I am autistic?And for your information my family is not poor AF I mean with my $1000 PC flatscreen and all my gaming consoles my Nike and Jordan shoes no I am not dirty poor but to get all of this nice s*** we need to save up money some people aren't rick maybe you are good for you.Also my culture neglects animals I never said I did god middle child you need to learn to read before you snap and start talk trash.
Title: Re: First time cat owner need help with kitten
Post by: LeFlame on November 10, 2016, 01:09:04 PM
From this point thank you all for the tips with the other cat from now on I'm just going to learn as I go when I get the kitten cya il do an update when the kitten is born and when I adopt it.
Title: Re: First time cat owner need help with kitten
Post by: Middle Child on November 10, 2016, 01:11:22 PM
Wow just wow I guess you don't know how to read middle child.Ive stated in my previous post that cat is going to the damn vet it's getting its shots and it's all going to be good.I am very aware that a cat has feelings that the hell do you think I am autistic?And for your information my family is not poor AF I mean with my $1000 PC flatscreen and all my gaming consoles my Nike and Jordan shoes no I am not dirty poor but to get all of this nice s*** we need to save up money some people aren't rick maybe you are good for you.Also my culture neglects animals I never said I did god middle child you need to learn to read before you snap and start talk trash.

Sure you want to spend money on things, so you save it by neglecting your animals.  Like I said I don't want to hear any more about it.  You want to live like that's your choice but I don't have to expose myself to it. 

You say something different in every post.  None of it adds up or makes any sense when taken as a whole. You contradict yourself constantly. I've had enough of your trolling.
Title: Re: First time cat owner need help with kitten
Post by: LeFlame on November 10, 2016, 01:34:17 PM
I have no idea where you keep getting neglection from but ok if you don't want to help me fine il leave this forum and just stick to articles on raising kittens
Title: Re: First time cat owner need help with kitten
Post by: Lola on November 10, 2016, 03:39:29 PM
What is it exactly that you want help with and are willing to do, to care for a cat properly?
Title: Re: First time cat owner need help with kitten
Post by: LeFlame on November 10, 2016, 04:28:58 PM
OK lets start over.My neighbor has cats he hasn't taken them to the vet EVER don't twist my words later and say I support this OK lets continue.One of his cats is pregnant he has offered to give me one of the kittens after they spend time with it's mother.I am willing to take it to the vet have it tested and vaccinated and will provide love and care for it.just because my culture isn't fond of animals doesn't mean I'm not.i was using the culture example to show why my parents do like to buy really fancy cat trees or a special toy.i have a cat bed a litter box some standard toys and food I still don't see how middle child assumes that I neglect animals.Now what I want help on is when the kitten is in my care I would like so tips or tricks to get the kitten well adjusted.Also may of you worrier about it being inbred my neighbor showed me that the father cat and the mother cat aren't related so no problems there and this pack of cats are the pack for miles so I should have any crazy cat stds.
Title: Re: First time cat owner need help with kitten
Post by: Lola on November 10, 2016, 04:54:49 PM
Cats that have never been to a vet for any kind of check-up or vaccinations....are likely NOT in good health.  Therefore, their kittens will LIKELY not be healthy either.  They may SEEM and LOOK healthy...but cats do NOT show sickness, unless they are pretty much knocking on death door. 

I'll assume you are willing to care for a kitten, knowing the risk and possible cost. 

Leave the kitten with his/her mother for 10 weeks.  12 weeks would be better. 

When you adopt the kitten, take it to the vet RIGHT AWAY.  Expect the first visit to be a few hundred dollars for tests, vaccinations, exam, etc.  It is what RESPONSIBLE pet owners do.

Are we good so far?
Title: Re: First time cat owner need help with kitten
Post by: LeFlame on November 10, 2016, 07:24:20 PM
Yeah of course thanks for the help also do you think with food stamps I can get a discount of all the vet work?
Title: Re: First time cat owner need help with kitten
Post by: LeFlame on November 10, 2016, 07:31:04 PM
Alright I'll come back and do an update when the kitten is born and try to get some pictures and then later when it's got 10 weeks or so Ik take it and start doing daily updates cya guys for now.ps how long does it take cats to give birth 4 months or less?
Title: Re: First time cat owner need help with kitten
Post by: Lola on November 10, 2016, 07:36:52 PM
 feedtroll
Title: Re: First time cat owner need help with kitten
Post by: LeFlame on November 10, 2016, 11:01:18 PM
Ok how the tf am I trolling I can't go get you some pics of the mother cat and if I'm trolling how TF do you explain the pictures of Lea the first kitten I had for about a good 2 weeks fine don't want to help y'all nasty old cat lady's have fun with that.Also your cat is not a kid it is a PET.https://www.google.com/amp/www.popsugar.com/moms/Comparing-Pets-Children-37693220/amp?client=safari
Title: Re: First time cat owner need help with kitten
Post by: LeFlame on November 10, 2016, 11:03:52 PM
God worst choice I made was to go on this forum you people Bruh your cats teeth what the hell its a cat not a human.Yall need to find a wife or husband and have some kids pets are pets not kids.cya fuckers have fun paying for expensive ass vet visit and surgerys.I hope all of your animals die a slow and painful dead.
Title: Re: First time cat owner need help with kitten
Post by: DeeDee on November 11, 2016, 08:14:46 AM
This thread is worthless without pictures.

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Title: Re: First time cat owner need help with kitten
Post by: Middle Child on November 11, 2016, 08:19:56 AM
Ok how the tf am I trolling I can't go get you some pics of the mother cat and if I'm trolling how TF do you explain the pictures of Lea the first kitten I had for about a good 2 weeks fine don't want to help y'all nasty old cat lady's have fun with that.Also your cat is not a kid it is a PET.https://www.google.com/amp/www.popsugar.com/moms/Comparing-Pets-Children-37693220/amp?client=safari

You might want to read the comments in that opinion piece you posted.  Almost everyone who posted hates the article and disagrees with it.  In fact many were quite nasty about it.

It was one person's opinion.  And quite obnoxious about it too.

Go back to your big screen TV, expensive game equipment and food stamps.  Leave the pet owning to people who actually care about animals.

If you really feel you need a pet, you can probably find a pet rock on e bay.  They were popular in the 70s.