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Title: Jenkins Stole Beef Roast Fat
Post by: Lola on February 03, 2018, 01:05:11 PM
I cooked the roast in the crock pot.  I added:
2 cups of beef broth,
1 tsp onion powder
1/2 tsp of black pepper
1/2 tsp of worcestershire sauce
1/4 tsp of celery salt
2 tsp table salt

Jenkins took a LARGE piece of fat and ran off with it.  We have a bed with doors under it. I leave the doors open for an extra place for the cats to go.  I couldn't get to him.  He ate the entire thing.

Should I do something?  He is walking around and acting normal... so far. 

Assuming I should watch and see... I was thinking of not feeding him lunch. 

The under bed hideout has been closed off... permanently. 

Title: Re: Jenkins Stole Beef Roast Fat
Post by: DeeDee on February 03, 2018, 01:21:21 PM
I don't know how much meat/fat you started with to know approximately how much fat he ate. I'm not sure how much of a chance cats have of pancreatitis.

The spices wouldn't worry me as much as the actual fat getting digested, but then cats might be worse about onion products. Onion powder is concentrated compared to regular onions.

I think I might call a vet for advice.
Title: Re: Jenkins Stole Beef Roast Fat
Post by: Middle Child on February 03, 2018, 01:21:53 PM
I think the biggest concern with the fat would be diarrhea.

Regarding the onion powder. watch for lethargy, ataxia (loss of balance), anemia (pale gums).....I think there may be other symptoms but these would be the most obvious.

See if he wants lunch, then if he does,  maybe just some plain lean meat if you have it.

Actually...I've just been doing a little reading.

If this were me, I would call the poison control center for advice.
The number is

1-888-426-4435.  There is a fee, and you will be able to speak to a vet and be given a case number.
Title: Re: Jenkins Stole Beef Roast Fat
Post by: Lola on February 03, 2018, 01:23:13 PM
I am going to GUESS about 2 to 3 oz of fat.  It looked (while in his mouth) to be about meal sized.
Title: Re: Jenkins Stole Beef Roast Fat
Post by: DeeDee on February 03, 2018, 01:26:27 PM
2-3 oz. I'm now firmly on the side of a vet or this:




If this were me, I would call the poison control center for advice.
The number is

1-888-426-4435.  There is a fee, and you will be able to speak to a vet and be given a case number.

Title: Re: Jenkins Stole Beef Roast Fat
Post by: Middle Child on February 03, 2018, 01:27:09 PM
My worry is that the fat will have absorbed the onion powder, plus the other spices.  I would call the Animal Poison Control.

Onion is extremely toxic to cats.
Title: Re: Jenkins Stole Beef Roast Fat
Post by: Lola on February 03, 2018, 01:28:22 PM
I will call. 
Right now hubby is under bed looking to see if he for sure ate it or left it in a corner, that we can't see from the outside. 
Title: Re: Jenkins Stole Beef Roast Fat
Post by: DeeDee on February 03, 2018, 01:29:14 PM
Onion is extremely toxic to cats.

It can cause a type of anemia in dogs. Is that what it does to cats too?
Title: Re: Jenkins Stole Beef Roast Fat
Post by: Lola on February 03, 2018, 01:32:37 PM
No fat in the corner. 
Poison control will know cat questions?
Catching him is going to be VERY difficult.  Remember he is the one we can only pet, and only under certain circumstances. 
Title: Re: Jenkins Stole Beef Roast Fat
Post by: DeeDee on February 03, 2018, 01:32:55 PM
Well here's the list that you're supposed to watch for anyway:


Quote
Poisonous to: Cats, Dogs

Level of toxicity: Generally mild to moderate

Common signs to watch for:

Drooling
Nausea
Oral irritation
Vomiting
Diarrhea
Lethargy
Abdominal pain
Elevated heart rate and respiratory rate
Weakness
Exercise intolerance
Collapse
Pale gums

http://www.petpoisonhelpline.com/poison/onion/
Title: Re: Jenkins Stole Beef Roast Fat
Post by: DeeDee on February 03, 2018, 01:36:01 PM
The Pet Poison Helpline is less expensive than the ASPCA one, and includes followup with the case.
Title: Re: Jenkins Stole Beef Roast Fat
Post by: Middle Child on February 03, 2018, 01:37:41 PM
No fat in the corner. 
Poison control will know cat questions?
Catching him is going to be VERY difficult.  Remember he is the one we can only pet, and only under certain circumstances. 


My experience with poison control is unfortunately multiple times.  They have a huge data base to search from and knowledgeable vets on staff at all times, that's why it's so expensive.
Title: Re: Jenkins Stole Beef Roast Fat
Post by: Lola on February 03, 2018, 01:38:30 PM
I left a message with our raw vet.  She should call back within the hour.
Title: Re: Jenkins Stole Beef Roast Fat
Post by: Middle Child on February 03, 2018, 01:39:12 PM
The Pet Poison Helpline is less expensive than the ASPCA one, and includes followup with the case.

ASPCA Poison Control also includes follow up.  That's why the case number.  My (multiple) experience is with them, and so they are who I recommend.

All paws crossed everything is going to be fine, for Jenkins.
Title: Re: Jenkins Stole Beef Roast Fat
Post by: Lola on February 03, 2018, 01:39:47 PM
Do you think an hour is okay to wait?
Title: Re: Jenkins Stole Beef Roast Fat
Post by: Lola on February 03, 2018, 01:40:25 PM
Right now, he is running around and playing...
Title: Re: Jenkins Stole Beef Roast Fat
Post by: Middle Child on February 03, 2018, 01:43:20 PM
Good!  I did see information that states that symptoms can be delayed though.
Title: Re: Jenkins Stole Beef Roast Fat
Post by: Lola on February 03, 2018, 01:43:30 PM
Her office JUST closed a few minutes ago.  However, she is the type that will allow me to bring him in after hours... if I can catch him.
Title: Re: Jenkins Stole Beef Roast Fat
Post by: Lola on February 03, 2018, 01:47:20 PM
Just thought of something....  the spices were added to the broth.  The roast was put on top of the broth.  The fat part of the roast wasn't cooked in the broth. 
Just giving you more info...
Title: Re: Jenkins Stole Beef Roast Fat
Post by: Lola on February 03, 2018, 01:48:26 PM
I'm going to go shower, so I can be ready to run out the door with him... if need be.  I'll check back in a few...
Title: Re: Jenkins Stole Beef Roast Fat
Post by: Middle Child on February 03, 2018, 01:50:56 PM
Just thought of something....  the spices were added to the broth.  The roast was put on top of the broth.  The fat part of the roast wasn't cooked in the broth. 
Just giving you more info...

That is excellent.  Remember to tel the vet!
Title: Re: Jenkins Stole Beef Roast Fat
Post by: Middle Child on February 03, 2018, 02:24:51 PM
If you are sure he didn't have any of the spices, I doubt there is much cause for worry.  Like I said maybe some loose stool because of the excess fat.  But maybe not even that.  Queen Eva once stole a huge wad of raw duck skin and slurped it down before I could stop her. She never even had a loose poop from it.  funny2
Title: Re: Jenkins Stole Beef Roast Fat
Post by: Lola on February 03, 2018, 02:58:31 PM
Vet called.  She said to watch him.  He may throw up.  Have diarrhea.  She thinks it is pretty unlikely that he got enough spices in him to be a serious problem. 

For lunch, he was interested in eating.  I only gave him about a tablespoon of turkey and tablespoon of water.  His tummy has GOT to be full! 
Title: Re: Jenkins Stole Beef Roast Fat
Post by: Lola on February 03, 2018, 03:03:28 PM
THANK YOU for your help!!!
Title: Re: Jenkins Stole Beef Roast Fat
Post by: Middle Child on February 03, 2018, 03:56:59 PM
 love1 love1

Who knew Jenkins, former kibble addict, would ever become such an opportunist?
Title: Re: Jenkins Stole Beef Roast Fat
Post by: Lola on February 03, 2018, 08:52:39 PM
Jenkins won't let me close enough to touch him (normal), but I have been checking on him about every hour.  No drooling.  Haven't found any throw up.  He played like normal.  No hiding. No lethargy.  The things that I can check from a distance...are good. 
The vet did say if anything horrible horrible was going to happen, it would be fairly soon. 
Oh, and he did beg for food from our dinner table.  Begging for him, is sitting within food toss distance... and winking at us. 

Normally when we are preparing food, he sits nice on a stool that is at the counter... and blinks, of course.  Depending on what we are fixing, he often gets samples.  Today no samples.  So when hubby turned his back, to wash his hands...Jenkins got his own sample!  He hauled butt down the hall and under the bed area.  Hubby felt awful. 

The fat didn't worry me so much.  It was all the spices! 

I'll make sure Lilly sleeps with me tonight.  Lilly will snuggle me and Jenkins will snuggle her.  I will be able to get a much closer look at him then. I will also be able to touch him then...feel his mouth area to make double sure he isn't drooling, check his tummy, etc.  Night time, with Lilly close by, is when he is most open to human touching.
Title: Re: Jenkins Stole Beef Roast Fat
Post by: Lola on February 03, 2018, 09:33:33 PM
I am going to HAVE to learn how to catch a cat that does NOT want to be caught. 

I've never pushed the issue with him, because he has come sooooooo far.  I don't want to undo what trust he does have in us.  It took him soooooo long to not totally fear us. 
I KNOW everyone is wondering about vet visits... I have only taken him once    :-[...and I had a lady with LOADS of experience come over.  She caught him by the scruff of the neck and put him in a carrier.  Scruffing barely phased him.  He fought, as if his life was on the line.  Once he was at the vet's... he didn't move at all.  That was actually the first time I ever pet him.   

When he allows pets, from me and hubby only.  I do sometimes put my hands under him, as if I am going to pick him up... just to see if I can get him used to my hands around him.  Or him more comfortable with me, in general.  He wants no part of that.  I don't do it every time, because I don't want him to stop trusting me completely again. 

We got him at a year old.  He wasn't a people cat then.  Him trusting us at all is huge.  We started slow... treats, shorts pets, rubbing his ears, rubbing under his chin, etc...all of that has taken years. He will take a treat from our hands now, but he is quick to do so. He prefers tossed treats.  He only just recently will sleep in a bed with me, at times... without Lilly. 

He is difficult to explain.  He doesn't walk around in fear of us all the time... we know his limits, and he knows we know.  If that makes any sense.  We pet, play, talk, and interact with him EVERY day, but... on his terms. 
Title: Re: Jenkins Stole Beef Roast Fat
Post by: DeeDee on February 03, 2018, 09:46:50 PM
I am going to HAVE to learn how to catch a cat that does NOT want to be caught. 



Quote
Tru Tips to Catch a Cat

Sometimes you just have to catch a cat for their own good.  You might feel like a terrible person for tricking them and upsetting them.  Cats often argue and resist help, even when they are very sick. Resolve to help the cat no matter how much he or she complains and resists!
Catch Your Cat for an Appointment by Shutting Extra Rooms Off the Day Before the Appointment
Most cats are not difficult to catch.  The cats are not mean and they do not hate their family.  The problem with catching the cat lies in the people’s technique and the cat’s lack of experience with being carried.  If you carry and lift your cat several times a day, maybe take walks to the food bowl, then catching your cat for a physical is no big deal.

Some cats hate to be lifted or touched, except on their terms.  A cat that only comes to you on their own terms is difficult to catch on schedule on the day of a vet appointment!

The night before the appointment, find your cat.  Shut your cat into one small room.  If that is impossible, then shut all the doors to other rooms. You will cut your cat-finding and cat-digging-out activities considerably!  Try to keep the cat out of a room with a large bed under which to hide!  (It can be difficult to get them out in the morning!)

If your cat is under the bed, try getting the vacuum out and setting it as if you are going to start vacuuming.  Turn it on for noise and most cats will run out from under the bed!

To Catch a Cat: Offer a favorite food and grab the cat
Be rotten.  Catch ’em while they are eating!  The down-side is this: if you miss, the cat will not trust you for a while, or ever.  Do not attempt this technique unless you are sure it will work right the first time; you will not get a second chance.

Habituate the Cat to the Carrier
Be sly.  Put the food in a carrier for a week.  As your cat gets comfortable with the crate, even if you cannot actually touch your cat or lift your cat, at least Kitty will not panic so much when you finally shut the door.  Again, be decisive.  If you bungle the door-shutting, kitty is probably done with eating out of that carrier!

Advanced Cat-Catching Technique
The Pillow Case
Be quick.  Get an old pillow case.  The sturdier the fabric, the better.

Bunch up the pillow case like you do a sock before you put it on your foot.

Slip the case over the cat’s head from above (when he’s not looking, preferably with his head plastered in a food bowl.)

Slide the case over the body; get those hind legs and claws in there quickly!

The Key to the Pillow Case Technique
Then *KEY* slide the cat bundle in a case into a hard-sided cat carrier.  If kitty is still wrapped, you may carefully open the case and let the cat turn around and breathe fresh air.  At this point, some cats are already carving their way out of the pillow case with their angry stabby claws, and you need not worry about their breathing situation; they will take care of that!

Shut the carrier door before you lose the cat!

More cat-herding at: https://virtuavet.wordpress.com/2010/09/06/how-to-catch-an-uncatchable-cat/
Title: Re: Jenkins Stole Beef Roast Fat
Post by: Lola on February 03, 2018, 09:55:57 PM
Those are great tips for MOST cats. 

There was one tip I haven't tried... 
We leave a carrier out.  Jenkins doesn't go near it.  However, Jenkins always eats his meals in the bathroom.  I think I will put a carrier in there, put his food in it... close the door, and leave him alone.  With me NOT in the bathroom.... he might just go for it.  He LOVES his meals.  If he goes for it, and gets comfortable....that will be my way to catch him, when needed. 
Title: Re: Jenkins Stole Beef Roast Fat
Post by: Middle Child on February 03, 2018, 10:10:05 PM
Those are great tips for MOST cats. 

There was one tip I haven't tried... 
We leave a carrier out.  Jenkins doesn't go near it.  However, Jenkins always eats his meals in the bathroom.  I think I will put a carrier in there, put his food in it... close the door, and leave him alone.  With me NOT in the bathroom.... he might just go for it.  He LOVES his meals.  If he goes for it, and gets comfortable....that will be my way to catch him, when needed. 

That's a good plan. Lola, you have made huge huge strides with him over the years. And the progress will continue, even if there are set backs like vet visits.

Title: Re: Jenkins Stole Beef Roast Fat
Post by: Pookie on February 03, 2018, 11:13:48 PM
Wow.  Sorry I missed all the excitement, though Dee and MC gave you better advice than anything I would have had.   fingerscrossed that Jenkins is still ok.

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Who knew Jenkins, former kibble addict, would ever become such an opportunist?

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Title: Re: Jenkins Stole Beef Roast Fat
Post by: Middle Child on February 04, 2018, 09:23:05 AM
Waiting for the litter box update.........
Title: Re: Jenkins Stole Beef Roast Fat
Post by: Lola on February 04, 2018, 10:52:34 AM
That's a good plan. Lola, you have made huge huge strides with him over the years. And the progress will continue, even if there are set backs like vet visits.



Taking him to vet was only a problem, because if I didn't catch him the first time... there wasn't a second chance.  Not with whatever method I tried anyway.  If I can get him to go into a carrier and eat his food, on a regular basis.... and be comfortable doing so...I think that will work. 
Title: Re: Jenkins Stole Beef Roast Fat
Post by: Lola on February 04, 2018, 11:00:18 AM
I gave him a pretty good "once over" last night.  No signs of anything being off.  He didn't poo, while in the room with me.... but poops that are in the litter boxes are all good.
Title: Re: Jenkins Stole Beef Roast Fat
Post by: Middle Child on February 04, 2018, 04:34:44 PM
I gave him a pretty good "once over" last night.  No signs of anything being off.  He didn't poo, while in the room with me.... but poops that are in the litter boxes are all good.

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