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Caring For Your Cat / Re: Queen Eva threw up with a pink tinge
« Last post by Pookie on December 15, 2023, 02:19:14 PM »
2 Questions :  is Queen Eva okay with you touching her ears?  Or is she okay with you touching her face?

I had ordered a reflexology for cats book years ago, and it includes maps of points for not just the paws, but the ears and face.  I know you've had a lot going on, and I'm not suggesting you do this, but I wanted to share the information with you as something to consider, in case it's an option.  Obviously if these are things that would stress Queen Eva, then forget it.  I just wanted to toss it out there.

If it's something that you think she would tolerate, and you would be open to it, I'm happy to make a photocopy of the "maps" and send them to you, so you have them if you need/want them.

GoodVibes grouphug  Hug1
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Caring For Your Cat / Re: Queen Eva threw up with a pink tinge
« Last post by Middle Child on December 15, 2023, 01:16:05 PM »
Queen Eva's internal medicine appointment is scheduled for Wednesday January 17th at 9:30. I would have preferred a Friday, but I didn't want to delay any longer. I will probably have to take the 18th off as well, though I hate to sacrifice the day.   

I am most likely going to end up running out of vacation time again this year like I did two years ago.

Tapering the prednisolone starts tomorrow.

Fur is essentially roughage, which is all fiber really is.  Just to try to clarify.  And I agree that cats don't really need fiber.

Is Upstate open on Saturdays?  Maybe you can connect with them then?

I wonder why the vet won't give you liquid instead of pills.  I wish she would listen to you, as you know what works best for Queen Eva.

HangInThere   Hug1 Hug1 Hug1

The clinic is open 24 hours a day, but they only do things like schedule appointments during regular 8-5 business hours.

Well there are different types of fiber that provide different benefits.Soluble and insoluble. Vet wants her to be on a combination of. Right now I'm putting her on just some SEB added to one meal a day and well see. I will get the Vet's Best though. Slippery elm apparently provides both soluble and insoluble, from what I've read. Too bad I didn't start with that instead of the psyllium, when this issue first started three years ago.

Liquid pred doesn't keep long.  So there's no point in dispensing it in advance. Pills are more shelf stable.

If she goes on it long term, I will have them send the script out to Wedgewood, which was where I was getting Mazy cat's pred in liquid form.

What I asked was that she put a standing order in Queen Eva's record, so that if I called, they'd be able to dispense it (the liquid pred) when I asked for it, even if my vet wasn't there.

She said that wasn't practical, that it was better for me to keep the pills on hand.
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Caring For Your Cat / Re: Queen Eva threw up with a pink tinge
« Last post by Pookie on December 15, 2023, 12:47:14 PM »
It's too bad she doesn't like have her paws messed with.  There are acupressure points on the paws that, if worked on, might help.  Oh well.
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Caring For Your Cat / Re: Queen Eva threw up with a pink tinge
« Last post by Pookie on December 15, 2023, 08:58:34 AM »
Fur is essentially roughage, which is all fiber really is.  Just to try to clarify.  And I agree that cats don't really need fiber.

Is Upstate open on Saturdays?  Maybe you can connect with them then?

I wonder why the vet won't give you liquid instead of pills.  I wish she would listen to you, as you know what works best for Queen Eva.

HangInThere   Hug1 Hug1 Hug1
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Caring For Your Cat / Re: Queen Eva threw up with a pink tinge
« Last post by Middle Child on December 15, 2023, 05:30:09 AM »
Spoke to the vet. She said okay to try the Vet's Best.

She will provide me with a prescription of prednisolone for in case this happens again, but she wants to give me pills to have at home rather than leave a standing order in Queen Eva's chart for the liquid.  I would have preferred the liquid. It's such a tiny amount, easy to give, and more accurate. The pills have to be split into quarters and will not give the correct dose, it will be slightly less.

Asked if I'd started the Denamarin. I haven't. I said that would have to wait until the weekend, I didn't want to mess up our work day routine before I knew how she would cope with the pill.

I hope I can connect with Upstate today and get this appointment scheduled.
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Caring For Your Cat / Re: Queen Eva threw up with a pink tinge
« Last post by Middle Child on December 14, 2023, 03:52:40 PM »
Queen Eva had a solid poop this afternoon, but no fur. Almost too hard, now that she's not getting any added fat or yolk or anything that I was giving her, none of it wasn't working more than temporarily.

She does not take GLM, except what's in the EZc.

I don't know about prey animals providing fiber in the form of fur, that doesn't make much sense to me, fur is fur not fiber, and Queen Eva probably has a gut full of fur again because she isn't passing it in her poop.
Cats do not need fiber in their diets, generally speaking.

Queen Eva's issue is poor motility, and where is it originating and why. Cisapride is the drug for poor motility, but I don't even know if it's still being used, seems like I remember reading it had been taken off the market. Ootay was on cispride for many years.

I'm tired of guessing I just want to get her in to see the specialist, and they have still not called me at a time I am able to take the call. I left a message this morning, and again after I got back from lunch saying I was available at work number until 4 pm, and after four they should call me at home, but not before 4:20.. I get home at 4:20 pm and there is a message from them they called at 4:07.

I know it won't be long before she crashes again and I just don't know how much more of this I can take. But keep in mind it's the end of the work day and almost the end of the work week and I am so exhausted I can barely move.

Just sick and tired of the run around. I don't remember having all this bullshit when Jennie was sick.
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Caring For Your Cat / Re: Queen Eva threw up with a pink tinge
« Last post by Pookie on December 14, 2023, 01:13:57 PM »
Random thought:  Cats in the wild get their fiber from their prey, specifically the fur.  Queen Eva grooms herself and ingests the fur.  Isn't that enough fiber?  I'm not so sure "more fiber" is the solution to whatever is going on.  I used to give Pookie canned pumpkin (not that I wanted to) for his hairballs, which has fiber, but it also made him gain weight.  I'm not suggesting that for Queen Eva at all, just remembering what I used for fiber.

"in the Raw for IBD group I was told that new studies and insights are saying now that IBD and SCIL (small cell intestinal lymphoma) are variations of the same disease, all falling under the GI issues,"

That doesn't surprise me at all.  IBD is inflammation, and inflammation causes cancer.  Been there, done that myself, just not that specific area.  So the question is:  WHAT is causing the inflammation?  For most IBD cats, it is/was dry food.  We don't know that Queen Eva has IBD, so we don't know if there's inflammation there or not.

I think you give her the GLM, correct?  Sorry to make you repeat yourself, but I just can't keep track and am too lazy to go back and read through everything.  Have you tried adding salmon oil or some other fish oil capsule?  If there is inflammation, then those would help.  But again, we don't really know if there is inflammation, or there's something else going on.

Xing fingers you're able to get the ultrasound scheduled.   fingerscrossed   Hug1  And hopefully she'll poop soon (and it NOT be diarrhea).
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Caring For Your Cat / Re: Queen Eva threw up with a pink tinge
« Last post by Middle Child on December 14, 2023, 12:50:08 PM »
All the records have been sent to Upstate for the ultrasound referral. The delay in getting an appointment is you can't get a person when you call there. You have to leave a message and they don't bother to take note of instructions like "I'll be at this number until such and such a time" so then I have to start all over again, because they inevitably call at a different time.

I did not have this hassle 5 years ago with Jennie. I called, got a person and got an appointment right away.

No diarrha, but no poop at all since 3 a.m. Tuesday/Wednesday. So it's close to 36 hours since any poop at all.

Vet says a balance of fiber is needed, soluble and insoluble. The psyllium isn't really a good choice on it's own, it has to be constantly increased, and she'll end up with a megacolon, and it obviously wasn't working, nothing I'm doing on my own is working, because she crashed, under my care. This is what the vet and specialists are for, but my vet cannot let go of the idea of prescription kibble as some miraculous resolution.

I also think she isn't keeping up on other things, because in the Raw for IBD group I was told that new studies and insights are saying now that IBD and SCIL (small cell intestinal lymphoma) are variations of the same disease, all falling under the GI issues, and my vet looked at me like I was nuts when I said that to her, after she assured me she would not be prescribing chlorambucil unless SCIL was positively diagnosed with a biopsy. I will not be putting Queen Eva through that biopsy surgery.
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Caring For Your Cat / Re: Queen Eva threw up with a pink tinge
« Last post by Pookie on December 14, 2023, 10:52:56 AM »
 :(   >:(   bangshead

I'll never understand WHY they don't listen.  You know Queen Eva better than anyone, you live with her, take care of her, so they SHOULD listen to you.  YOU are the expert on Queen Eva.  The vet is not.  I'm so sorry it was such a lousy experience.

And WHY would she think a cat, an obligate carnivore, can eat corn?!?!  ???  Seriously?   bangshead bangshead bangshead

You're giving Queen Eva the psyllium, which IS fiber.  I'm not sure why this vet seems to think more fiber is needed.  I'm going to guess that she's not going to authorize the ultrasound, either, is that correct?  So you're stuck.

You know, I don't mean to be snarky, but I swear sometimes they WANT our pets to be (chronically) sick, so they can keep making money.  They certainly don't seem to want to help.  If they did, they'd listen.  Sorry, you don't need me ranting . . .

How is Queen Eva feeling?  Is she eating ok?  Form poops/no diarrhea?

GoodVibes grouphug  Hug1
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Caring For Your Cat / Re: Queen Eva threw up with a pink tinge
« Last post by Middle Child on December 14, 2023, 04:52:30 AM »
I left feeling frustrated and unheard. Vet won't prescribe the ondansetron because she doesn't think it's the best thing to give to cats.  Queen Eva is okay for the moment. Doesn't need the fluids any more for now. She prescribed denamarin for it's antioxidant properties. I haven't decided whether to use it or not, have to look it up.

Last night I thought of a possible solution to my anxiety about what to do when this happens again. I'll ask her to put a standing prescription for the steroids on Queen Eva's record, since she's convinced the steroids are what's making her feel better.

I asked about a GI blood panel which includes the fPLI for pancreatitis, but Queen Eva wasn't fasted so that didn't happen. I didn't think of it before, and right now I'm more focused on making sure she eats enough to start gaining back some weight.

As for her harping about diet, I've told her and told her Queen Eva cannot eat a corn based diet, we will have to find another solution for the fiber she insists Queen Eva needs.  I'm going to ask what she thinks of Vet's Best.  I saw it over at the feed store when I was buying that stupid nutrient paste. That may offer the correct balance of fibers, but I'll have to make sure they haven't added something nasty to their ingredients, like they did once before.
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