Hills is at it again...

[DeeDee]

  WHEN are they going to learn about "powdered cellulose" that's made from pine trees? Since when the heck are our pets considered termites capable of digesting that carp?    And, YES! It's in the dog's formula--it's just higher up on the list in the cat formula! OF COURSE it's going to change their metabolism! It changes the body's ability to digest the same way it should!

http://www.hillspet.com/products/pd-feline-metabolic-prescription-diet-dry.html

Ingredients for Hill's® Prescription Diet® Feline Metabolic Advanced Weight Solution

Chicken By-Product Meal, Brewers Rice, Corn Gluten Meal, Powdered Cellulose, Dried Tomato Pomace, Flaxseed, Dried Beet Pulp, Chicken Liver Flavor, Coconut Oil, Pork Fat, Lactic Acid, Potassium Chloride, Calcium Sulfate, L-Lysine, Choline Chloride, Dried Carrots, DL-Methionine, Taurine, vitamins (Vitamin E Supplement, L-Ascorbyl-2-Polyphosphate (source of vitamin C), Niacin Supplement, Thiamine Mononitrate, Vitamin A Supplement, Calcium Pantothenate, Riboflavin Supplement, Biotin, Vitamin B12 Supplement, Pyridoxine Hydrochloride, Folic Acid, Vitamin D3 Supplement), minerals (Manganese Sulfate, Ferrous Sulfate, Zinc Oxide, Copper Sulfate, Calcium Iodate, Sodium Selenite), L-Carnitine, Mixed Tocopherols for freshness, Beta-Carotene, Natural Flavors.

[DeeDee]

Just in case anyone missed it from posts in the past, Solka Floc http://www.ifcfiber.com/products/solkafloc.php is what they use, and it's cellulose made out of pine tree pulp. HIGHLY processed "food" that only termites should be fed.

The report made YEARS ago on tests of pine tree cellulose:

http://gut.bmj.com/content/25/8/805.full.pdf

If it changes the gut's ability to process foods in humans, then it's going to change it in every other animal. There's a reason a lot of drugs are tested on animals first--INCLUDING CATS AND DOGS! That reason would be because in a lot of ways they're just like us despite our differences. There's a reason that stuff is banned from being in foods in Europe.

Moreover, the purified cellulose depressed the breakdown of other cell wall polysaccharides and reduced cellulose digestion in the subjects when they were changed to other diets. The capacity of colonic microorganisms to digest cellulose in vitro was also tested and in these studies the purified cellulose was virtually
indigestible. . .

For Pete's sake, if you ever see "powdered cellulose" and it doesn't specify "powdered VEGETABLE cellulose," then RUN from that food! For you AND your pets! PLEASE! Improper or changed digestion is one of the largest problems in today's society when we're talking health issues. A body that isn't fed properly is going to have all kinds of issues and can be permanently damaged from the gut to the outside. You're just asking for trouble if you ingest this stuff.

Of course it's going to change the metabolism of pets when they're fed it since it changes the gut's ability to digest everything it's given. But it does nothing but make for sick animals as so many have heartrendingly learned--after the fact.

[Lola]

I noticed cellulose is OFTEN in "light" pet foods as well.  I assume the sawdust swells (more than regular carpy kibble) and makes the dog feel fuller sooner.  ??

[DeeDee]

The original article she's talking about from Food Freedom ended up having a forced take-down of the article, but there's a link in the original page that shows the article:

http://agrigirl.com/2011/07/16/ever-eat-a-pine-tree/


It's like this. Lumber yards end up with a ton of sawdust. That's a ton of "product" just laying around their saws. A scientist came up with a way to break it down for other products. Some genius said, "Wait that's just cellulose. Bodies require cellulose to live. (Vegetable cellulose that is.) We can sell this for food and save the world with our inexpensive product!" Nevermind that they didn't do a good analysis like http://gut.bmj.com/content/25/8/805.full.pdf of its effects on living bodies that require food to live. And hardly anyone pays attention to the scientific findings here in the US. It's used as "a stabilizer, emulsifier, thickener, calorie reducer, and anti-caking agent."

A lot of vegetable cellulose isn't digested, but a lot more vegetable cellulose is digested than is cellulose from trees. Vegetable cellulose doesn't damage the gut when pine tree cellulose does. Pine tree cellulose actually changes the ability of a body's gut to digest vegetable cellulose too. It continues to prevent digestion of vegetable cellulose AFTER the pine tree cellulose has been discontinued as food.

Other things to consider, it's used as an ingredient to make the outside of powder-filled capsules--other things like that. It's everywhere. Some capsules are made of gelatin and vegans object to that. If you have a compromised body, and it doesn't say "vegetable cellulose" you should probably try to get the ingredients out and swallow the powder another way. Saying "vegan capsules" but not saying "vegetable cellulose" at the same time is a problem.

Now the carp is added into half of everything to "expand" the food inexpensively as well as the previous use-description--ESPECIALLY Pet Foods. Also, cellulose helps you feel fuller, but it's supposed to be cellulose from plants that your body can partially digest, not from trees.

People who eat that garbage are only damaging their bodies and killing themselves--and they're killing their pets if they feed it to them. A body that doesn't digest properly won't live properly for the longer term.

Edit: don't depend on "Organic" keeping tree-cellulose out either: http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424052748703834804576300991196803916

Don't believe it when a "specialist" of some sort tells you that cellulose is cellulose no matter what it came from. It's NOT.

[Pookie]

Wait, I'm confused.  You mean trees aren't vegetables?

[Lola]

Wait, I'm confused.  You mean trees aren't vegetables?

lol

[DeeDee]

Sooo...who else has seen the new Hills Perfect Weight commercial?

"It can be hard to control your cats weight because they dont exercise!" Hmmmm...I thought playing with a cat was exercising them?

"...without the hassle of counting calories." Soooo, you don't have to measure it? Is that what they're saying? Because counting calories is measuring it. So it's okay to just free-feed a fat cat?

The things that make my head go

EDIT: And Yes. It IS full of cellulose:

Chicken, Brewers Rice, Corn Gluten Meal, Wheat Gluten, Powdered Cellulose, Chicken Meal, Tomato Pomace, Dried Beet Pulp, Flaxseed, Chicken Fat, Chicken Liver Flavor, Coconut Oil, Lactic Acid, Calcium Sulfate, L-Lysine, Potassium Chloride, Choline Chloride, Dried Carrots, DL-Methionine, Taurine, vitamins (Vitamin E Supplement, L-Ascorbyl-2-Polyphosphate (source of vitamin C), Niacin Supplement, Thiamine Mononitrate, Vitamin A Supplement, Calcium Pantothenate, Riboflavin Supplement, Biotin, Vitamin B12 Supplement, Pyridoxine Hydrochloride, Folic Acid, Vitamin D3 Supplement), minerals (Manganese Sulfate, Ferrous Sulfate, Zinc Oxide, Copper Sulfate, Calcium Iodate, Sodium Selenite), Iodized Salt, Dicalcium Phosphate, L-Carnitine, Oat Fiber, Mixed Tocopherols for freshness, Beta-Carotene, Natural Flavors, Apples, Broccoli, Cranberries, Green Peas.

Hills Perfect Weight:

[Lola]

As most of you know, ingredients are listed by weight, BEFORE cooking.  Once the chicken is cooked...and all the water weight is history... it goes waaaaaaaaay far down on the list.
So basically, that puts Brewers RICE at the top of the list... then all those glutens, and sawdust.  UGH  There isn't a decent ingredient IN that so-called food. 

Didn't get to see the video.  The YouTube account has been terminated.  Hmmmmm 

PS  After reading that horrrible ingredients list... no wonder Hills is ticked at Blue Buffalo commercials!  (No, I don't feed BB.)

[DeeDee]

Here's the commercial at another site. Maybe it will stay up this there at that stie:

http://www.ispot.tv/ad/7S7F/hills-science-diet-perfect-weight-for-cats