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Title: Re: Arrows - Dental
Post by: Lola on March 26, 2017, 01:04:08 AM
This conversation has been moved to Dental...from another area. 

Yes, I want to get Arrows in to see the vet.  He has never had a dental. I looked inside his mouth... and it isn't pretty.   :(


Title: Re: Re: Arrows - Dental
Post by: Pookie on March 26, 2017, 02:25:50 PM
 :( :( :(

I hope you're able to get an appointment for him soon.   fingerscrossed
Title: Re: Re: Arrows - Dental
Post by: Lola on March 26, 2017, 09:06:45 PM
:( :( :(

I hope you're able to get an appointment for him soon.   fingerscrossed

Thanks.  Me too.  I'm hoping to get him in somewhere on Monday.  He has more going on, then I first thought. 
Title: Re: Re: Arrows - Dental
Post by: Pookie on March 27, 2017, 11:38:09 AM
He has more going on, then I first thought. 

 :( :( :( :( :( grouphug
Title: Re: Re: Arrows - Dental
Post by: Lola on March 27, 2017, 12:03:52 PM
Arrows is pawing at his mouth.  He is eating, just much slower.  I called two vets.  I can get him in on Wednesday at one... Sat with the other.  I'd call an unknown vet, but not every vet is a "dentist" also... from what I have read.
His symptoms = pain.  wtf 
Title: Re: Arrows - Dental
Post by: Pookie on March 27, 2017, 08:26:04 PM
 :( grouphug grouphug grouphug
Title: Re: Arrows - Dental
Post by: Middle Child on March 28, 2017, 04:54:11 AM
Oh no how awful! I'd get him in soonest.  Remember that a cat showing pain can mean he has had pain for a long time, and it is now getting to be too severe to hide.

Or it could be sudden (acute)

All paws crossed for him. Do you think he needs a dental specialist?  Why? Most vets (and many techs) are skilled at dentals? I remember Mazy cats trouble last summer....so I can fully sympathize.
Title: Re: Re: Arrows - Dental
Post by: Lola on March 28, 2017, 09:40:01 AM
Because of him showing pain, is why I wanted to get him in on Monday.  Once it is obvious he is pain, I know it is pretty bad!  I'm pizzed that the earliest I can get him in is Wednesday morning.   You would think the vet's office (both of the ones I called) would know he is in pain, when I told them he was having trouble eating and pawing at his mouth. 

Some vets get further (more detailed) training/education in dental procedures... after vet school.  It isn't that I want a specialist, as much as I just prefer a vet that is a bit more "in the know." 

Anyway, I have been able to keep him eating by adding water to his ground raw. His meals are pretty much soup. 

By the way, his appointment is with our previous vet.  Glad I didn't burn any bridges behind me! 
Title: Re: Re: Arrows - Dental
Post by: Lola on March 28, 2017, 03:18:03 PM
I was cutting up chicken today.  Arrows stole a pretty good size chunk.  He gnawed on it, like you would not believe!  Go figure. 
Title: Re: Arrows - Dental
Post by: Middle Child on March 28, 2017, 04:18:54 PM
That is GREAT that he stole and ate a chunk of meat! bananamiddlechild

Maybe ease your mine a bit over how he's feeling?

I'm glad he's eating other meals on his own too still.  That's what I did with Mazy cat last summer, remember?  Turned her food into soup, but she stopped eating raw all together, I had to resort to canned soup, and eventually just to bone broth.

Yep I agree with you, never good to brn bridges.  You just never know what's going to happen down the road.

All paws crossed for him.
Title: Re: Re: Arrows - Dental
Post by: Lola on March 28, 2017, 11:24:35 PM
He didn't eat the chunk of chicken... he just gnawed on it. 
He ate no lunch today.  Dinner is in an hour.
I am however able to get about a tsp of food in him every so often. 
He isn't interested in playing, but he has been hanging out with me most of the day.  At least he isn't hiding.  He's probably trying to send me mental waves to do something for his pain! 
Yes, I remember Mazy having mouth difficulties.  It sucked.... for both of you. 
I'm off to work in a bit.  Probably won't be able to post until late tomorrow.
Thanks for keeping Arrows in your thoughts. 
Title: Re: Re: Arrows - Dental
Post by: Lola on March 29, 2017, 12:10:10 PM
Wellllllll his mouth is a mess, but the doc isn't so sure his issues are dental related.  That surprised me.  A lot.  I showed him the video of Arrows pawing at his mouth.  Explained his eating is hit and miss.
Did all the blood work and urinalysis.  Will get the results tomorrow.  If test results are ok, his dental is scheduled for Tuesday. 
He ate a good breakfast. 
Also, he was a VERY good boy at the vet's.  He is a social butterfly! 
Title: Re: Re: Arrows - Dental
Post by: DeeDee on March 29, 2017, 12:46:02 PM
I'm more inclined to agree with you. You know your cat, and if they said his mouth is a mess, then the clues he's been giving you sound legit.
Title: Re: Arrows - Dental
Post by: Pookie on March 29, 2017, 02:05:00 PM
Sending hugs and purrs . . . grouphug CatPurr
Title: Re: Arrows - Dental
Post by: Middle Child on March 29, 2017, 03:52:10 PM
Wellllllll his mouth is a mess, but the doc isn't so sure his issues are dental related.  That surprised me.  A lot.  I showed him the video of Arrows pawing at his mouth.  Explained his eating is hit and miss.
Did all the blood work and urinalysis.  Will get the results tomorrow.  If test results are ok, his dental is scheduled for Tuesday. 
He ate a good breakfast. 
Also, he was a VERY good boy at the vet's.  He is a social butterfly! 

Good grief, sounds like what I went through with Mazy cat! (Vet saying "nothing wrong with her mouth")  Okay not exactly the same, but how can a vet say mouth is a mess, and not think the cat's "problem" is dental related?

All paws crossed Arrows' lab work is good and he can have his dental on Tuesday.  Did the vet give you pain meds?

How nice that he is easy at the vet. bananamiddlechild

Love and hugs to you both from me and the girls.
Title: Re: Re: Arrows - Dental
Post by: Lola on March 29, 2017, 09:04:58 PM
So far he has eaten a good breakfast and lunch.  Still acting odd though.
I REFUSE to worry what could be wrong... if not his teeth. 

No pain meds.  *sigh*
Title: Re: Re: Arrows - Dental
Post by: Lola on March 30, 2017, 01:20:07 AM
Arrows ate all 3 meals today.  All meals were made really soupy.  Almost his total normal intake.  Not pawing at his mouth, but he's still "under the weather."  Not his usual active self. 
Title: Re: Arrows - Dental
Post by: Middle Child on March 30, 2017, 05:21:01 AM
So glad he's eating. At this point, that is the most important thing. xx
Title: Re: Arrows - Dental
Post by: Pookie on March 30, 2017, 10:32:29 AM
I hope Arrows is feeling better soon!  fingerscrossed fingerscrossed fingerscrossed
Title: Re: Re: Arrows - Dental
Post by: Lola on March 30, 2017, 06:45:39 PM
Still waiting for a call back.  TRYING not to get pizzy!  :)
Title: Re: Re: Arrows - Dental
Post by: Lola on March 30, 2017, 07:17:30 PM
All test results are "lovely."  I'll get copies of the test results when I go on Tuesday, as we are moving forward with the dental. 
Title: Re: Arrows - Dental
Post by: Pookie on March 30, 2017, 08:56:05 PM
All test results are "lovely."

multistars multistars multistars

Too bad they weren't able to fit in his dental this week.  How's he been today?  GoodVibes
Title: Re: Re: Arrows - Dental
Post by: Lola on March 31, 2017, 10:41:02 AM
Arrows is eating every meal.  Not with gusto, but he is eating.  He is SO not himself though. 
I feel awful not being able to get him in sooner for a dental.  Tues. was the soonest.  It would have been even longer with the other vet.
It really pizzes me off.  I'm the one that is SUPPOSED to care for him.  Speak FOR him.  Yet here we are.... nothing being done for him.
Title: Re: Arrows - Dental
Post by: Middle Child on March 31, 2017, 01:12:07 PM
Arrows is eating every meal.  Not with gusto, but he is eating.  He is SO not himself though. 
I feel awful not being able to get him in sooner for a dental.  Tues. was the soonest.  It would have been even longer with the other vet.
It really pizzes me off.  I'm the one that is SUPPOSED to care for him.  Speak FOR him.  Yet here we are.... nothing being done for him.


I know.  Hug1 Hug1 Hug1
Title: Re: Arrows - Dental
Post by: Pookie on March 31, 2017, 01:25:27 PM
I feel awful not being able to get him in sooner for a dental.  Tues. was the soonest.  It would have been even longer with the other vet.
It really pizzes me off.  I'm the one that is SUPPOSED to care for him.  Speak FOR him.  Yet here we are.... nothing being done for him.

Ok, say it with me:  We do the best we can.   Silly7  You got him in as soon as you could.  It's not your fault they didn't have anything for him earlier.  And you ARE doing something for him:  you're doing everything you can to keep him eating, and he is.  That's HUGE.

GoodVibes grouphug GoodVibes grouphug
Title: Re: Re: Arrows - Dental
Post by: Lola on March 31, 2017, 01:47:11 PM
I'm not mad at myself.  I mad that he feels like poo, has for days.... and yet he has to wait more days for relief.  It is cruel. 
Title: Re: Arrows - Dental
Post by: Pookie on March 31, 2017, 01:56:48 PM
I'm not mad at myself.  I mad that he feels like poo, has for days.... and yet he has to wait more days for relief.  It is cruel. 

 :( grouphug grouphug grouphug grouphug grouphug grouphug grouphug
Title: Re: Re: Arrows - Dental
Post by: Lola on March 31, 2017, 03:59:41 PM
I was just explaining where my head was at.

BTW the words
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We do the best we can.
have saved me mannnny times!  Thank you!
Title: Re: Arrows - Dental
Post by: DeeDee on March 31, 2017, 04:05:21 PM
Here's the words that have saved me AT THE VET"s office MANY times:


"My mom. . .I'm doing all I can. Things just aren't the same at home anymore."
Title: Re: Re: Arrows - Dental
Post by: Lola on April 01, 2017, 10:19:38 AM
Arrows ate lunch and dinner, without water and without hesitation yesterday.  He slept with me last night.  Was up bright and early with everyone else. 
Before each meal, he runs around the dining room table.  He has always done that, but he hasn't been doing it for the last several days.  He did it today, before breakfast.
He is "talking" and running around today. 
WOW... what a mystery!
Title: Re: Arrows - Dental
Post by: Middle Child on April 01, 2017, 10:28:48 AM
So glod he is not showing any obvious signs of pain currently. That will help you both get through until Tuesday xx
Title: Re: Re: Arrows - Dental
Post by: DeeDee on April 01, 2017, 10:44:52 AM
So glod he is not showing any obvious signs of pain currently. That will help you both get through until Tuesday xx

Now BREEEEEEEEEEEEEEATHE, Lola!
Title: Re: Arrows - Dental
Post by: Pookie on April 01, 2017, 06:26:48 PM
I'm glad he had a good day!  multistars multistars multistars
Title: Re: Re: Arrows - Dental
Post by: Lola on April 02, 2017, 05:53:17 PM
Arrows is being himself... 100%. 
Title: Re: Arrows - Dental
Post by: Pookie on April 02, 2017, 09:57:04 PM
Hmm . . . maybe he had something kind of stuck in his teeth or something, and it worked itself out on it's own?   :-\

I'm glad he's back to his normal kitty-self.   :)
Title: Re: Arrows - Dental
Post by: Middle Child on April 04, 2017, 04:56:55 AM
Thinking of Arrows today, and you of course!  Hug1 Hug1 Hug1 HeadButt HeadButt

 GoodVibes GoodVibes GoodVibes GoodVibes love1 love1
Title: Re: Arrows - Dental
Post by: Pookie on April 04, 2017, 11:00:59 AM
 fingerscrossed fingerscrossed fingerscrossed fingerscrossed  Crossing paws all goes well!   fingerscrossed fingerscrossed fingerscrossed fingerscrossed
Title: Re: Arrows - Dental
Post by: DeeDee on April 04, 2017, 11:13:38 AM
 fingerscrossed fingerscrossed that he comes home feeling more like his old self again!
Title: Re: Re: Arrows - Dental
Post by: Lola on April 04, 2017, 05:38:26 PM
Dropped him off in the am.  Just picked him up.  All went well.  Thanks for the positive thoughts.  Will catch up with you all later. 
Title: Re: Re: Arrows - Dental
Post by: Lola on April 06, 2017, 10:31:34 AM
Arrows' mouth.
Title: Re: Re: Arrows - Dental
Post by: Lola on April 06, 2017, 10:36:46 AM
We also got a sample bag of Hills t/d.  I didn't say a word.  I just threw the carp in the garbage, when I got home. 

The doc did say to feed him canned food for 8 to 10 days.  I did tell him that he only eats "wet."  I wanted to add... "He likely won't be back for another dental anytime soon, because he is now on an all raw diet." 

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Chicken By-Product Meal, Brewers Rice, Corn Gluten Meal, Whole Grain Corn, Powdered Cellulose, Pork Fat, Chicken Liver Flavor, Calcium Sulfate, Lactic Acid, Soybean Oil, Potassium Chloride, Choline Chloride, DL-Methionine, vitamins (Vitamin E Supplement, L-Ascorbyl-2-Polyphosphate (source of Vitamin C), Niacin Supplement, Thiamine Mononitrate, Vitamin A Supplement, Calcium Pantothenate, Riboflavin Supplement, Biotin, Vitamin B12 Supplement, Pyridoxine Hydrochloride, Folic Acid, Vitamin D3 Supplement), Calcium Carbonate, Iodized Salt, Taurine, minerals (Ferrous Sulfate, Zinc Oxide, Copper Sulfate, Manganous Oxide, Calcium Iodate, Sodium Selenite), Mixed Tocopherols for freshness, Natural Flavors, Beta-Carotene
Title: Re: Re: Arrows - Dental
Post by: DeeDee on April 06, 2017, 10:45:40 AM
That looks like another of those recipes designed to bring patients back in on a regular basis.
Title: Re: Re: Arrows - Dental
Post by: Lola on April 06, 2017, 11:24:44 AM
That looks like another of those recipes designed to bring patients back in on a regular basis.

EXACTLY!

I have a new vet that I prefer (that has a clue about species appropriate diets), but I like the "old" vet for dentals.  He has had dental training... outside of the little training taught in vet school.  He seems to do a more through job with the furkids' teeth.  Too bad he is still under the spell of Hills and Purina.  It makes me sad. 
Title: Re: Arrows - Dental
Post by: Pookie on April 06, 2017, 08:43:34 PM
sarcasmalert

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Chicken By-Product Meal, Brewers Rice, Corn Gluten Meal, Whole Grain Corn, Powdered Cellulose

I didn't realize Arrows had had a species-change operation to a cow.    >:D

How's he feeling today?
Title: Re: Re: Arrows - Dental
Post by: Middle Child on April 07, 2017, 05:10:31 AM
So did he have any extractions? Pain meds?  How is he in himself, and eating? Was he put on antibiotics?
Title: Re: Re: Arrows - Dental
Post by: Lola on April 07, 2017, 11:15:48 AM
So did he have any extractions? Pain meds?  How is he in himself, and eating? Was he put on antibiotics?

Arrows was back to being himself days before the dental.  So, I think there was something else also going.  I'll yap about that later. 


The vet talked a lot about one tooth in particular.  I got a good look at it, before the dental. It had resorptive (resorption?) issues.  According to the chart I posted... 3 teeth were extracted. 

Yes, I was given pain meds for Arrows.   Buprinex.  I squirted it into the side of his mouth... half of the syringe on each side.  I was given 5 syringes.  Arrows was a willing participate for 3 doses.  He wanted no part of the last 2 doses. 

No antibiotics.

Arrows was pretty "off" for several hours, after we got home.  I kept him (alone) in a bedroom with me the rest of the day.  He was cute... he laid next to me with his head on my pillow. We both took a nap.  I didn't have the heart to move him to the foot of the bed. 

He goes back for a check-up in two weeks.  First time either vet suggested a check-up, after a dental.  I think it is a good thing.  I won't have to wonder or assume all is well... I will know! 
Title: Re: Arrows - Dental
Post by: Pookie on April 07, 2017, 06:31:58 PM
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  I kept him (alone) in a bedroom with me the rest of the day.  He was cute... he laid next to me with his head on my pillow. We both took a nap.  I didn't have the heart to move him to the foot of the bed. 

AWWWWWW!!!  heartbeatgif