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Title: If You Feed Purina *PLEASE READ THIS* **IMPERATIVE**
Post by: The Kittens on January 19, 2012, 05:03:52 PM
If you feed any, food made by Purina, which includes Fancy Feast and Friskies kitty food, it is **IMPERATIVE**
that you read this, and if you have any issues, that you contact Purina Customer Service 800-877-7551 M-F
7AM - 7PM, believe its Central time.

http://www.consumeraffairs.com/pets/ralston.html

http://www.catster.com/forums/Food_and_Nutrition/thread/729051

 
Title: Re: If You Feed Purina *PLEASE READ THIS* **IMPERATIVE**
Post by: Lola on January 19, 2012, 05:17:58 PM
Purina dog foods are having SERIOUS issues as well.  
Bump, SOME people have cats AND dogs.   :-*

(Reason for moving thread.)
Title: Re: If You Feed Purina *PLEASE READ THIS* **IMPERATIVE**
Post by: The Kittens on January 19, 2012, 05:26:15 PM
Bump said *any* food, whichy77777777777u7ytttttttttt6

which means cat or dog, and show horse people, won;t touch Purina Horse Chow, we ben a knowin, for like, lots  of years, its GARBAGE, ya, can says its on here.

Just didn't have time to list, all, the foods Purina makes, which I just found out, is Meow Mix too.  Here is a start. Gots to go eat suppys, and, Cruiser wanted to post too, so the first line, is what he thinks, about Purina, he typed it his self, walked right on the key board, mol.  :P :-* thumbsup1 Bumpurr1 TexasFlag bumpgif

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nestlé_Purina_PetCare
Title: Re: If You Feed Purina *PLEASE READ THIS* **IMPERATIVE**
Post by: The Kittens on January 19, 2012, 05:28:53 PM
use the red arrows

http://www.purina.com/
Title: Re: If You Feed Purina *PLEASE READ THIS* **IMPERATIVE**
Post by: Lola on January 19, 2012, 05:45:32 PM
I was just explaining why I moved this thread from the cat category, and put it in Non Species Specific.   ;D
Title: Re: If You Feed Purina *PLEASE READ THIS* **IMPERATIVE**
Post by: The Kittens on January 19, 2012, 07:03:57 PM
Didn't even realize, ya moved it, mol, until he saw the "Bump" post, mol.  funny2 :-*

I thoughty, ya thoughts, I meant, only for kitties, so ya done good, mol, mol, bol.  thumbsup1 TexasFlag bumpgif newhere1 bewareofmodsgif
Title: Re: If You Feed Purina *PLEASE READ THIS* **IMPERATIVE**
Post by: CarnivorousCritter on January 20, 2012, 12:10:20 AM
Reposting this here from the "Truth About PF" thread because it's meant for those people still sticking up for Purina, thinking they are an innocent Co out for the best interests of their customers:


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Looked at that thread Bump and I viewed that person's "sensitivity" to your post an an insult to all those pet owners posting on consumeraffairs.com whose pets have suffered & died.... what are people smoking these days anyway? Everything's an "insult" to people these days, as though they are the only people enhabiting this planet....in their closed little bubbles.  Just because they continue to trust something, they believe everybody should, regardless of what all the other people go through....

Honestly people should be calling Consumer Attorneys, NOT Purina, who will only sweep it under the rug. It's been going on this long...
The biggest problem (which is why I put that quote where it fits, in Purina-related thread) is explained in that quote.
For every person who DOES complain, how many others still trust them, like in the catsfur thread where THREE cats in ONE family in 2 different states were affected and one even died?

BTW, I was on the IAMS complaints board and saw the same scenario.  Only there, there are a bunch of "company responses" to the complaints with a stupid generic "Call us" comment and when they are clicked on, "Trusted Company of Consumer Affairs" logos come up  :o :o :o   flamingturd nonono  Should they be biased? 

So I hope people call somebody not affiliated in any way with ANY PFI. Better shot, IMO.

Title: Re: If You Feed Purina *PLEASE READ THIS* **IMPERATIVE**
Post by: The Kittens on January 20, 2012, 05:46:21 AM
To give more information.

Doing this from memory, and will look up the info after work, but cats, dogs, horses, cows, are property, livestock, and not deemed, in the legal sense, something you can collect on, per say.  BUT Texas passed a law, or something to that effect, that people can now sue, for the loss of their pets.

I believe any pet food companies standard responce is, there have been no other complaints. Thats what Blue Buffalo told me. I know for a FACT that is NOT TRUE, and thats why I haunt the BB site on FB.  When I persisted, they got nasty, a sure sign, your heading in the right direction.

When Bump found that chore boy under the bed, at the show hotel, the front lady's responce was so? What are you going to do about it. I showed them, exactly, what I was going to do. When I got done with them, they paid his vet bill and changed their cleaning policy.   >:( pangif   
Title: Re: If You Feed Purina *PLEASE READ THIS* **IMPERATIVE**
Post by: Lola on January 20, 2012, 10:12:12 AM
I think most people, naturally, go to the company making the food or product first...when there is an obvious problem.  
For some reason, pet food companies are trusted more than any other company.  It seems to me.
Could be the amount of time they have been in business, the vet recommendations of certain brands, the warm and fluffy commercials, the movie association, etc.  

Also, the labeling has a STRONG influence.  IMHO  I would never have guessed that a mfg can claim pretty much anything they want to on a label.  

Just using kibble for example.  It BLEW MY MIND, when I was told that it was the "quality" kibble that was causing my boy cat harm.  Not the ingredients, in this instance, but the feeding of dry kibble itself.  

It just didn't make sense to me that ANY company would mfg. dry kibble for a cat that is an obligate carnivore and doesn't (can't) actually chew kibble.  

I think it is normal, for Joe Average, to ASSuME a company would be educated about the furkid it is manufacturing food for!  
Title: Re: If You Feed Purina *PLEASE READ THIS* **IMPERATIVE**
Post by: CarnivorousCritter on January 20, 2012, 10:41:55 AM
To give more information.

Doing this from memory, and will look up the info after work, but cats, dogs, horses, cows, are property, livestock, and not deemed, in the legal sense, something you can collect on, per say.  BUT Texas passed a law, or something to that effect, that people can now sue, for the loss of their pets.

I believe any pet food companies standard responce is, there have been no other complaints. Thats what Blue Buffalo told me. I know for a FACT that is NOT TRUE, and thats why I haunt the BB site on FB.  When I persisted, they got nasty, a sure sign, your heading in the right direction.


An attorney in Washington Stae has been successful as well  thumbsup1

(Bolded)  That's what's so worrysome, Bump.   And allll those complaints on Consumer Affairs for alllll that time, the "trusted company(ies)"  cann keep their little "call me" comments confined to the Internet, where anyone has to finally get desperate enough to search to get a CLUE. For every one of them, how many trusting people (Lola's quote  thumbsup1 cases in point) don't and just keep on taking their animals back & forth to the vets?  (just like I & my family did. :'( )


I think most people, naturally, go to the company making the food or product first...when there is an obvious problem.  
For some reason, pet food companies are trusted more than any other company.  It seems to me.
Could be the amount of time they have been in business, the vet recommendations of certain brands, the warm and fluffy commercials, the movie association, etc.  

Also, the labeling has a STRONG influence.  IMHO  I would never have guessed that a mfg can claim pretty much anything they want to on a label.  

Just using kibble for example.  It BLEW MY MIND, when I was told that it was the "quality" kibble that was causing my boy cat harm.  Not the ingredients, in this instance, but the feeding of dry kibble itself.  

It just didn't make sense to me that ANY company would mfg. dry kibble for a cat that is an obligate carnivore and doesn't (can't) actually chew kibble.  

I think it is normal, for Joe Average, to ASSuME a company would be educated about the furkid it is manufacturing food for!  

YUP.  Which is why, JMHO, it's imperative that those of us who DO know reach out to people who don't have a conflict of interest, for any hope of sparing people of what (we) had to go through.  ... From the faux Gov't "Agencies" right on down the line, these people are all protecting themselves -- each others' intere$t$ is their own.   Think ANY of them care how many vet bills pile up, or the fate of peoples' pets?  It ALL piles down on the pet owners...

ETA:  Even for those that DO know, look at how even they have to scramble & pull out their hair to find the lesser of the evils....
Someone DOES dig & finally find a decent food, it has clay stuff & spinach & other species-inappropriate stuff.  
They'll always find some way to cheapen things for their bottom line....until things can get exposed, more people in mainstream become aware, and the DEMAND goes up for species-appprpriate feeds while DEMAND for garbage (because more peple would know) goes down....
Title: Re: If You Feed Purina *PLEASE READ THIS* **IMPERATIVE**
Post by: CarnivorousCritter on January 20, 2012, 11:03:42 AM
PS Maybe if we're all nice to Bump, he might share his high powered contacts with his buddies on here too in the future  cat4  kissyou

PPS Edit to add today's addition:


Consumer Complaints & Reviews

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We have been feeding our dogs with Purina One dry dog food for over a year and since we bought a large bag and have been feeding them, two out of five dogs have been sick with vomiting and diarrhea . After reading these posts, I do believe it is the food. It is not worth just convenience for purchasing dog food at your local grocery store. I will go back to a high quality brand today!

Linda of Dacula, GA
Title: Re: If You Feed Purina *PLEASE READ THIS* **IMPERATIVE**
Post by: The Kittens on January 20, 2012, 05:12:30 PM
The price, of Bump, sharing his high powered contacts, is this, take it or leave it, mol, mol, mol.  funny2 :D :P ;) :-*

Lola, has to agree, to turn the Dallas game on, on Thanksgiving, during dinner.  And Bump wants it in writing, mol, mol, mol.  thumbsup1 Bumpurr1 TexasFlag bumpgif

To get the "guests" started, should they have an issue, is these steps.

1. Contact the company, write down who you talked to, and what they said. You do need to have a complaint on record.

2. Go to that companies Facebook page, and post your story.

3. Write a Letter To The Editor of your local newspaper, stick to the facts.

4.  Contact your local TV station, and ask them to air the story.

5. If the kitty or doggie died, take out a full page ad, in your local newspaper.

6. Contact Mr Anderson on CNN, he loves animals.

7. Retain an attorney, and have him/her look up the Texas law.

8. Contact Bump's high powered contacts, whose names shall remain, secret, until the price has been met.

 TexasFlag bumpgif

With that show hotel, I didn't have to go very far, down the list. I told them, you WILL, pay his vet bill, and you WILL change your cleaning policy, or........ my next call is to the police, and, CNN.  They paid his bill, and changed their cleaning policy.   

When it comes to Bump, takin on his mommy, ain't, a goody idea.   
Title: Re: If You Feed Purina *PLEASE READ THIS* **IMPERATIVE**
Post by: CarnivorousCritter on January 21, 2012, 01:33:41 AM
I'm not Lola but I will buy a TV to watch Dallas on T'Giving for that deal!   cat3 cat4  Bumpurr1

Check this out  -
Since Ol' Roy has the 'reputation' it does and it doesn't get plastered everywhere with every new Dog movie that comes out, was curious to see if they were keeping up with the P food on the consumer complaints site (they're not). But plenty of comments nonetheless, among them:

http://www.consumeraffairs.com/pets/ol_roy.html 

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My dog is a very outgoing and well behaved dog. She is a 7th Champion Bloodline American Pit bull. My husband and I grabbed a 20 lb. bag of the Ol Roy complete nutrition with the green label "Compare to Purina Dog Chow". My dog's stomach has been making crazy noises. She is very lazy after only 2 days of eating this food. I only noticed her change in personality and being non-responsive because I found a huge chunk of molded clump up food. Ol Roy will be held accountable for this. She is going to the vet tomorrow and if I lose my child over a money hungry careless company, I promise they will regret allowing this food on any shelf. Legal actions will be taken.

So I wanted to see if they were just whistle1 fibbing on their labels...

http://www.walmart.com/ip/Ol-Roy-Complete-Nutrition-Dog-Food-20-lb/10898788#ProductDetail 
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A: The ingredients in this product are as follows: Ground yellow corn, meat and bone meal, soybean meal, poultry by-product meal, animal fat (preserved with BHA and citric acid), corn gluten meal, natural flavor, brewers rice, salt, potassium chloride, color added (titanium dioxide, yellow #5, yellow #6, red #40, blue #2), choline chloride,...


http://www.walmart.com/ip/Purina-Dog-Chow-Complete-Balanced-Dog-Food-20-lb/10804914
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Whole Grain Corn, Meat and Bone Meal, Corn Gluten Meal, Soybean Meal, Animal Fat Preserved With Mixed-Tocopherols (Form of Vitamin E), Poultry By-Product Meal, Whole Grain Wheat, Animal Digest, Brewers Rice, Salt, L-Lysine Monohydrochloride, Potassium Chloride, Vitamin E Supplement, Zinc Sulfate, Zinc Proteinate, Ferrous Sulfate, Choline Chloride, Parsley Flakes, Added Color (Yellow 6, Yellow 5, Red 40, Blue 2),….

Oh it gets better ...  >:D
Directions

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Top of Page
   •   to Open: Pull Red Tape Off to The Left. Store In A Cool, Dry Place. Feed to Ideal Body Condition: Too Thin-Ribs Are Highly Visible. Increase The Amount You Are Feeding. After 2 Or 3 Weeks, Compare Again. Adjust Until Dog Exhibits Ideal Body Condition. Ideal-Can Feel Outline of Ribs. Dog Has A Waist When Viewed from Above.  ...blahblahblahblah... Adjust As Necessary. The Purina Life Plan, An Unprecedented Fourteen-Year Study By Purina, Proves That You Can Help Extend Your Dog's Healthy Years By Feeding to His Ideal Body Condition Throughout His Life. Use The Recommended Daily Feeding Amounts As Shown. ..

NOTE first bolded.  Don't tell you WHAT it is you'd be feeding to accomplish this impossible feat though, do they?

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Feeding Weaning Pups: Puppies Start to Nibble On Solid Foods At Three to Four Weeks of Age. Keep Moistened Purina Dog Chow (3 Parts Kibble to 1 Part Water) Available to Puppies At All Times Until Fully Weaned (6 to 8 Weeks of Age)

 :o  This is the brand getting the most "exposure" when it comes to Hollyweird films with pets ...
Title: Re: If You Feed Purina *PLEASE READ THIS* **IMPERATIVE**
Post by: CarnivorousCritter on January 21, 2012, 01:47:51 AM
Well at least Ol' Roy didn't totally let us down. Not only are the ingredients not identical (as the sign leads the consumer to believe), they don't have Parsley Flakes! Those cheap suckers...
Title: Re: If You Feed Purina *PLEASE READ THIS* **IMPERATIVE**
Post by: Lola on January 21, 2012, 07:57:24 AM
This also caught my attention:

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Keep Moistened Purina Dog Chow (3 Parts Kibble to 1 Part Water)

Recommending to wet kibble.  ARGH!   :o
Title: Re: If You Feed Purina *PLEASE READ THIS* **IMPERATIVE**
Post by: Lola on February 07, 2013, 01:26:15 PM
Purina complaints are up to 526 now.  Some of the heart breaking stories... WOW!

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Debbie of Seminole, FL on Feb. 3, 2013
Satisfaction Rating
1/5

I am trying to figure out what is going on with my 3 dogs. I have been feeding them Purina One Beyond for the past few years with no problems. …They seem to take turns being sick. I tried mixing it again yesterday, and the third one started throwing up…I'm just wondering if anyone else has seen this change?

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Michele of Philadelphia, PA on Feb. 3, 2013

The last 1.5 years has been hell for us. Our cats experienced UTIs, defecating issues, and now, fatty liver disease. The two more affected are senior cats who preferred dry over wet. One has IBD, therefore a suppressed immune system. Cat #2 had at least UTIs (took months to figure out which cat was ill) and stopped eating over a week ago. He just spent 4 nights in the ER and $3600 later, he is on a feeding tube and may have neurological disorder.
Cat #  1 is back to not eating for a 2nd time. He is on medication that stimulates his appetite...

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Jeff of Al, al on Feb. 2, 2013

We have been feeding our golden retriever Purina brand for years, including Beneful. On January 28, 2013, everything was fine. She was playing and running around like normal. The night of January 29, 2013, I noticed her crying about 6PM. When I went to her, she was seizing uncontrollably ….She suffered several seizures before we finally had to put her down. The last dog food we gave her was Purina Dog Chow. If this is indeed what is happening, it's all Purina and not just Beneful.

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Jennifer of Nevada, TX on Jan. 31, 2013

Lira is a rescue horse…She got so bad that I had the vet scheduled to come euthanize her, but the morning it was scheduled, I just couldn't bring myself to do it. Coincidentally, she had eaten the last of her Ultium the day before, so I stopped at a different little place and picked her up some cheap sweet feed, just to get her by. The lady who ran that store told me that she would not sell Purina products - that a friend of hers had lost their two racehorses because of Purina Ultium, but I didn't think too much of it, and just took the new feed home to Lira…

She was having muscle spasms in her rear legs, and concluded that she had ended up with organophosphate poisoning. My other two horses are housed in the same pasture with her and never had a problem, but they were never given the Purina food…
Lira is still recovering and improving, but it's a long, slow, ongoing process and I doubt that she will ever fully recover from this. I no longer had the bag or any food left to test by the time I put two and two together, but I believe with all my heart (as do my vet and farrier) that this was the problem. Please beware of this and other Purina products. I was told that there was a lawsuit pending against Purina over the racehorses that died but the food was never recalled, nor was I able to find any information whatsoever on what may have been going on with it at that time. I just wanted to warn others so maybe they won't have to go through what Lira and I have.

http://www.consumeraffairs.com/pets/ralston.html
Title: Re: If You Feed Purina *PLEASE READ THIS* **IMPERATIVE**
Post by: Middle Child on February 07, 2013, 01:48:09 PM
What I don't understand is why these people KEEP FEEDING THE FOOD!  And why they throw it away rather than contacting Purina.  I just don't understand why they are so....passive about it.
Title: Re: If You Feed Purina *PLEASE READ THIS* **IMPERATIVE**
Post by: Lola on February 07, 2013, 01:57:07 PM
Maybe it is difficult to make rational decisions when allllll the commercials, bag labels, vets, etc. all SING Purina praises.  It CAN'T be the food...
Title: Re: If You Feed Purina *PLEASE READ THIS* **IMPERATIVE**
Post by: Pookie on February 07, 2013, 03:53:06 PM
What I don't understand is why these people KEEP FEEDING THE FOOD!  And why they throw it away rather than contacting Purina.  I just don't understand why they are so....passive about it.

I was thinking that, too, then I saw Lola's response and remembered that I really didn't *GET* just HOW important nutrition was to health until I had struggled for years to figure out why my kitties kept throwing up their food.  I had ASSuMEd that vets learned a lot about nutrition and was clueless about where that "education" (such as it is) came from.  I remember thinking to myself once, "Well, he went to vet school . . . he knows more about it than I do."  And if it hadn't been for Pookie and his sister having all their problems, I still wouldn't "get it."  I'd be doing what so many others do and feeding dry and I wouldn't have learned a thing.  Sadly, it seems we don't learn unless something motivates us to, like having sick furkids.  :(  Maybe that's why they chose each of us.  Because they know we needed to learn, and that once we do, we'll be spreading the word like crazy to help others.
Title: Re: If You Feed Purina *PLEASE READ THIS* **IMPERATIVE**
Post by: Middle Child on February 07, 2013, 09:09:45 PM
I was thinking that, too, then I saw Lola's response and remembered that I really didn't *GET* just HOW important nutrition was to health until I had struggled for years to figure out why my kitties kept throwing up their food.  I had ASSuMEd that vets learned a lot about nutrition and was clueless about where that "education" (such as it is) came from.  I remember thinking to myself once, "Well, he went to vet school . . . he knows more about it than I do."  And if it hadn't been for Pookie and his sister having all their problems, I still wouldn't "get it."  I'd be doing what so many others do and feeding dry and I wouldn't have learned a thing.  Sadly, it seems we don't learn unless something motivates us to, like having sick furkids.  Sad
 Maybe that's why they chose each of us.  Because they know we needed to learn, and that once we do, we'll be spreading the word like crazy to help others.

Very profound, and I absolutely think this too.  If Little Cat hadn't come along with her mal-absorption issues, would I ever have made it to raw feeding? I was desperate to find food she could eat.  And of course from her, I turned to Struvite Kitty. MAYBE I would have tried it with SK, even without LC's problem. But I bet it would have taken me longer.

And I do, oh I do, talk about pet nutrition to everyone.  Even people who don't have pets.

But...some of these people, they say that once the animal is better they go back to feeding the food (and the pet gets sick again).  I mean how much does it take for them to figure it out? I am too impatient I guess. All we can do is keep spreading the word/ Even if we only reach one pet owner, that is one more who has learned and who will pass on what they know and reach maybe one more.

Title: Re: If You Feed Purina *PLEASE READ THIS* **IMPERATIVE**
Post by: CarnivorousCritter on February 08, 2013, 03:26:54 AM


But...some of these people, they say that once the animal is better they go back to feeding the food (and the pet gets sick again).  I mean how much does it take for them to figure it out?

It takes for them to keep learning the hard way over and over as to get desperate enough to hop on the Internet because they are lsitening to their trusted VETS.  How many of the trusted vets told them to immediately dump -- permanently --  whatever it is they're feeding? Apparently not many although it's common sense  -- especially for such an educated person to do so.      

People trust their vets.

And, unfortuantely, most people have NO reason to doubt these vets, or believe that food which is "just fine with their vets" is detrimental because hardly any pet owners who ARE aware, are speaking UP regarding the vast differences in veterinarians today.  (See Drs Pierson & Hodgkins -the Internet's best kept secrets,  vs. the  mainstream.)

Lurking forums for a few years now, I see plenty of educated pet owners speak up about foods,  but not the difference in vets who are even more influential than the advertising because the majority of people will listen to their vets over all.  (The TV advertisers didn't go to vet school...) 

I'm not bashing people "listening to their vets" in general.   There is a huge issue, however, when the PFI literally owns the majority.  
Vets "protecting" and even endorsing these foods are just as bad as ones who declaw.  Animals suffer, only in different ways.  They should know they're carnivores.

I see pet owners get chastised alll the time, but no outrage or blame towards the vets who are recommending/protecting/condoning.... and even selling these products/practices.  Different with every other profession because they're all regulated....

And Purina happens to be one of the biggest funders.   But nobody wants to take issue  with this, so who's gonna believe that Purina could possibly be harmful?   Just those who have found out the hard way eough to get desperate enough to go digging on the Internet... and be open to solutions not mainstream.
Title: Re: If You Feed Purina *PLEASE READ THIS* **IMPERATIVE**
Post by: CarnivorousCritter on February 08, 2013, 04:04:42 AM
I do not expect vets to know all about nutrition. However I Do expect them to know about the carnivore thing.  
The big issue here, and on consumeraffairs stories, is that Purina is "PROTECTED" by the mainstream vet community, due to allll the generous funding.   A vet should impulsively tell the person "Dump whatever it is you're feeding. Period."   No rice & ground meat trials, only to return to the culprit  Doh1

But it's Purina, therfore not happening with the majority of people.  No recalls or warnings yet, either.
Title: Re: If You Feed Purina *PLEASE READ THIS* **IMPERATIVE**
Post by: CarnivorousCritter on February 08, 2013, 04:37:04 AM
Maybe it is difficult to make rational decisions when allllll the commercials, bag labels, vets, etc. all SING Purina praises.  It CAN'T be the food...

How true. 

Even more compounded now: people in general thinking for themselves.   :-X   That ship has certainly sailed.   :(   If it's not on TV, facebook, or texted to them, forget it.   



Title: Re: If You Feed Purina *PLEASE READ THIS* **IMPERATIVE**
Post by: Middle Child on February 08, 2013, 06:57:41 AM
You make a good point CC. I was recently called a "dangerous person" in another forum, for advising someone to go against their vet on the food that was recommended.  And in still another forum I was lambasted by a vet tech not too long ago for recommending to someone whose cat was having intestinal issue that they try a raw diet.

And in another forum besides those there is a group of people who flat out do not want to learn about the nutritional needs of their pets. They are terrific people and wonderful pet owners, with this one blind spot.  I continue to post everything I learn, including my my struggles with SK and her regurgitation and my transition to and now permanent regimen of feeding partial raw. I have reached a new member, and MAYBE one old member, going by a comment she made as an aside in an unrelated thread.  I know what she used to feed her cat (now senior with auto immune problems) but she made a comment in passing somewhere that she is feeding only canned food now, and my heart sang. I didn't say anything to her about it, but, still it made me so happy.

But I have to remember. I changed,so others can too.  I always fed wet, but didn't know the difference between ingredients in different brands. I use to disbelieve the fact that vets are taught to feed these horrible foods BY the food companies, in vet school.  I used to disbelieve that vets didn't know anything about what to feed. I know better now, and others can learn, too.  My vet is very open minded and actually takes notes when I come in, on the foods I feed or have fed, on the ingredients that I now avoid. And she is VERY supportive of the raw diet.  But not all vets are so willing to listen.
Title: Re: If You Feed Purina *PLEASE READ THIS* **IMPERATIVE**
Post by: Pookie on February 08, 2013, 09:06:11 AM
Lurking forums for a few years now, I see plenty of educated pet owners speak up about foods,  but not the difference in vets

My thinking is that if my vet is one of those who isn't open-minded, I'm not going to waste my time.  I'd rather focus on the pet parents, because if a vet has enough clients learning this information on their own, at some point they're going to HAVE to start paying attention.  Esp. if they lose clients because they don't want to deal with a vet who refuses to listen.  As one of the PFK logos says, "Changing how people think about feline nutrition will only happen from the bottom up . . ."  the pet parents.
Title: Re: If You Feed Purina *PLEASE READ THIS* **IMPERATIVE**
Post by: CarnivorousCritter on February 09, 2013, 06:36:24 AM
My thinking is that if my vet is one of those who isn't open-minded, I'm not going to waste my time.  I'd rather focus on the pet parents, because if a vet has enough clients learning this information on their own, at some point they're going to HAVE to start paying attention.  Esp. if they lose clients because they don't want to deal with a vet who refuses to listen.  As one of the PFK logos says, "Changing how people think about feline nutrition will only happen from the bottom up . . ."  the pet parents.

That's what I mean.   But here's the biggest part of the issue:  ... but not the difference in vets who are even more influential than the advertising because the majority of people will listen to their vets over all.

All the Diabetic cats, & cats getting PU surgery while the vets keep them on high carb/dry food, I wonder why people don't raise a stink.  If a mechanic was telling people to put sugar in their gas tanks because "it helps", what would happen to the mechanic?

When I try telling my family about these things, the reply is always:

"If it's so bad, how can they be able to continue to do it?"   Where are the protests, boycotts, and uproars?   And letter-writing campaigns?  

Look what Doritos got for an offensive commercial (dog hiding missing cat).   Likewise Sketchers with the Greyhound racing.

Yet what's the reaction to Purina commercials STILL saying how Beneful is so nutritious, while the consumer complaints regarding their multiple foods  (along with Beneful) continue to pour in to boot!?  The food isn't even species-appropriate to begin with  :o :o :o :o

Even people seeking advice on forums who are starting to learn, most won't even question the vet as to why they would tell them to feed the stuff -- and even sell it to them under the false pretense of "prescription" to boot. How many even get up the nerve to demand a refund for the fraud food, once they get on the internet & find out how bad it is?   What about the other clients with cats who go to these same vets and know nothing?  Like my own family, they'd have NO reason whatsoever to doubt the vets' professional direction.  

Did you know that MARS literally owns the largest Vet chain in the country?  I'm not talking mere generous funding, but literally  :o   Royal canin probably takes the trophy for most recalls.  Check out their history -- even prior to and since the 2007 ctatstrophe   :o :o

Where are the consumer fraud advocates, let alone animal advocates?   (Calling them out for blatant malpractice would be too easy).  

There are many more pets affected each and every day, by vets telling clients to feed species-inappropriate foods, than whatever animals would have been harmed by (for example) those commercials, IMO.  
Title: Re: If You Feed Purina *PLEASE READ THIS* **IMPERATIVE**
Post by: Lola on February 11, 2013, 07:33:06 PM
Hmmm that IS a good question about why people don't make a stink.  Who is going to listen (outside of pet forums, that is)?  The majority of vets are "owned" by the PFI.  The majority of people believe their vets.  Throw in the advertising dollars...