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Dr. Patty Khuly Explains "How Do Vets Recommend Pet Food?"
« on: January 09, 2012, 08:51:49 PM »
A few years back, Dr Patty Khuly did a three part series on her blog (then called "Fully Vetted") on the pet food matter.   It was one of the things which opened my eyes wider, particularly the comments following her second installment.  Wasn't able to find it for a while, link had expired ...  but now it's back.  (Assuming it took some time for the archives to be restored with the new blog?) 

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...Some of you are smart; you’ve been around the block more than a few times and now you’re jaded on the vets and nutrition thing. I don’t doubt that you have a reason to be. Nutrition is one of the few areas in which we vets don’t necessarily excel. And we’re not alone. That’s a perfect mirror of the human medical paradigm, too...
 
Nutrition is a big black box when it comes to science. We just don’t know as much about the intricate workings of the highly integrated system of organs involved as we’d like to think we do....
 
I’m just as cynical as you are. I speculate this dearth of knowledge exists (at least in part) because there’s not a lot of money to be made in human medicine when it comes to food. So our science is weak on nutrition because commerce drives most of our medical developments — and there’s little cash to be had in the slippery science of nutrition, despite the pressing social need for it...
http://www.petmd.com/blogs/fullyvetted/2007/june/how-do-vets-recommend-pet-food-part-1-industry#.TwugY5gqNyk

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When I was a second-year student in vet school, I received a tidy sum in scholarship money to help out with my escalating student loan debt. It was a Hill’s-sponsored subsidy based on an essay I’d written (on what topic I remember not — but it wasn’t nutrition, that much I recall).
 Since then, vet medicine has changed dramatically in how it’s served, most notably though specialization across a wide range of disciplines. Nutrition is glaringly absent among these, despite the growing role of pet foods in daily vet life. What’s more surprising is that vet schools have continued to allow the pet food concerns to become even further entrenched in our curricula....
 
...Who has taught the last generation of vets? Pet food companies or large animal practitioners, of course. Who provides the grant money for the nutritional research conducted at veterinary institutions? Only those who have the money to ensure their products get the positive attention they need to maintain their market dominance.
 
Consequently, nutritional education has been lacking, to say the least. We thought we knew all there was to know about nutrition, now that obvious nutritional diseases had become extinct. But how many diet-“related” diseases do we now see? We‘re not really sure. Do we even know whether these prescription foods really work? Not always. Not independently. There’s very little competing research to tease out the reality given the intense supremacy of the marketing machines we’ve effectively sold our souls to. …
To make matters worse, the influence of this pet food industry oligopoly on real-life veterinary practice is extreme. Not only does the modern vet practice believe in the science behind the bags of food, it has come to rely on the income these foods provide...
http://www.petmd.com/blogs/fullyvetted/2007/june/how-do-vets-recommend-pet-food-part-2-education#.TwuhWJgqNyk

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For those of you who skipped the first two posts on this subject, I’m talking about how we vets recommend food and the problems we confront in doing so. Sure, some of that has to do with industry pressure, especially when every other vet down the street is carrying the food the pet food companies are expecting you to offer. Some of it has to do with our education, whereby we were inculcated into the belief that prescription diets can help almost any pet. And some of it has to do with the reality of vet practice economics, in which industry expectations, education and lack of resources (especially when starting out) can move you to sell foods to make up for the services you can’t yet move quickly or profitably enough....

Here’s where you might think all vets are in the pockets of the pet food companies—whether they think they are or not. And that may be true. But most of us recommend certain pet foods because we either know no better (for reasons related to training, explained in the previous post), because we want to do what’s best for our patients, and/or because we have few acceptably safe alternatives. And then there are the greedy (for the record, I don’t believe that’s most of us).

http://www.petmd.com/blogs/fullyvetted/2007/june/how-do-vets-recommend-pet-food-part-3-practice#.TwuiWJgqNyk

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Re: Dr. Patty Khuly Explains "How Do Vets Recommend Pet Food?"
« Reply #1 on: January 09, 2012, 09:16:37 PM »
You're probably thinking, oh brother, another CC anti-vet post.

I am very grateful to the wonderful veterinarians who are speaking up on behalf of their patients, and their humans who may be spared the heart-gutting agony which accompanies the seemingly uncurable effects of species-inappropriate diets.


Having experienced these nightmares first-hand, I feel the only way the guilt will subside is to try to get their word out, for theirs is a suppressed collective voice which needs to be heard.    Please know that my chronic "picking on vets" is a fervent prayer that more pets might have a chance to not go through what mine did.  It's been five years and the guilt has not supressed. So I keep posting...  as an immediate family member still feeds you-know-what, you-know-why... 

People TRUST their vets above all, when it comes to those who can't speak and point to where it hurts or TELL you what's bothering them, or WHY they're vomiting ... why they're having the seizures.... they can't say, PLEASE STOP giving me this@!! It's making me WORSE!!!!   They can't TELL you this.   So you trust MORE.... meanwhile the pet trust US more, too, with each pill we shove down their throats...
That's why I harp on the Vets so much. Was BLESSED with an ANGEL for too many years to not resent, HATE (to put it mildly) what is taking place ... what I have witnessed since those good old days. 

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Re: Dr. Patty Khuly Explains "How Do Vets Recommend Pet Food?"
« Reply #2 on: January 09, 2012, 10:41:35 PM »
and here is another one CC
http://www.petfood-bad.blogspot.com/
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Re: Dr. Patty Khuly Explains "How Do Vets Recommend Pet Food?"
« Reply #3 on: January 10, 2012, 12:00:02 AM »
Luv ya, Shadow  :)  and Professor Meg DVM.     Another unsung hero confined to the Internet. Chef of "Old Boots" which passed the AAFCO test for pet food, co-author of   http://www.amazon.com/Not-Fit-Dog-Truth-Manufactured/dp/1884956831    thumbsup1 thumbsup1 thumbsup1

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Re: Dr. Patty Khuly Explains "How Do Vets Recommend Pet Food?"
« Reply #4 on: January 10, 2012, 01:06:21 PM »
Luv ya, Shadow  :)  and Professor Meg DVM.     Another unsung hero confined to the Internet. Chef of "Old Boots" which passed the AAFCO test for pet food, co-author of   http://www.amazon.com/Not-Fit-Dog-Truth-Manufactured/dp/1884956831    thumbsup1 thumbsup1 thumbsup1
Great book. I got this book as soon as it came out. :)
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Re: Dr. Patty Khuly Explains "How Do Vets Recommend Pet Food?"
« Reply #5 on: January 10, 2012, 07:16:24 PM »
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You're probably thinking, oh brother, another CC anti-vet post.

I wouldn't go to a cosmetologist for a heart problem.  That is an easy one. 
Concerning vets, it isn't so easy.
Like you said, people trust their vets.  People assume...
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Re: Dr. Patty Khuly Explains "How Do Vets Recommend Pet Food?"
« Reply #6 on: January 11, 2012, 08:32:56 AM »
CC:  (((((((((((((BIG HUG)))))))))))))

Your post brought tears to my eyes.  It could have easily been something I wrote, and I'm so deeply sorry for everything you and your pets went through.  I don't know that we ever really recover from experiences like that, and it changes us forever.

You did the best you could with the information you had.  You're doing something now to make a difference for others, so they can learn from your experiences.  I know it doesn't change the past, but I hope it at least gives you a little comfort.

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Re: Dr. Patty Khuly Explains "How Do Vets Recommend Pet Food?"
« Reply #7 on: January 11, 2012, 11:50:10 AM »

You did the best you could with the information you had.  You're doing something now to make a difference for others, so they can learn from your experiences.  I know it doesn't change the past, but I hope it at least gives you a little comfort.

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Your angry-informative-vet-bashing-wet-food-pushing-Dr. Lisa Pierson urls are the main reason I questioned the ER vet.  YOU are the reason that our oldest male cat lives a happy and healthy life today...with his penis intact.

Who else have you helped?  How many other pets have you saved?  You will likely never know.

"Fluffy" info is nice for many.  But "in your face facts" work for others.  Keep being you.
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« Reply #8 on: January 11, 2012, 12:20:58 PM »
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NEW LINKS Re: Dr. Patty Khuly Explains "How Do Vets Recommend Pet Food?"
« Reply #9 on: September 23, 2015, 07:42:24 PM »
New Tweets with new links b/c the old ones quit sending you directly to the articles:


How do vets recommend pet food? (Part 3: In Practice)  http://www.petmd.com/blogs/fullyvetted/2007/june/how-do-vets-recommend-pet-food-part-3-practice-6139


How Do Vets Recommend Pet Food? (Part 2: Education)  http://www.petmd.com/blogs/fullyvetted/2007/june/how-do-vets-recommend-pet-food-part-2-education-6141


How Do Vets Recommend Pet Food? (Part 1: Industry) http://www.petmd.com/blogs/fullyvetted/2007/june/how-do-vets-recommend-pet-food-part-1-industry-6142
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Re: Dr. Patty Khuly Explains "How Do Vets Recommend Pet Food?"
« Reply #10 on: September 24, 2015, 06:33:39 PM »
New Tweets with new links b/c the old ones quit sending you directly to the articles:


How do vets recommend pet food? (Part 3: In Practice)  http://www.petmd.com/blogs/fullyvetted/2007/june/how-do-vets-recommend-pet-food-part-3-practice-6139


How Do Vets Recommend Pet Food? (Part 2: Education)  http://www.petmd.com/blogs/fullyvetted/2007/june/how-do-vets-recommend-pet-food-part-2-education-6141


How Do Vets Recommend Pet Food? (Part 1: Industry) http://www.petmd.com/blogs/fullyvetted/2007/june/how-do-vets-recommend-pet-food-part-1-industry-6142

I get it that vets don't get much nutritional training in school. 
I get it that Hills, Purina, etc are HUGE "supporters" at vet schools.
I get it that there is a commission (whether large or small) to be had for selling RX "foods."

What I don't get is... are some vets not capable of reading the ingredients labels on these foods?
How do they NOT get that dogs and cats are carnivores?
Do they EVER go to a zoo?
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Re: Dr. Patty Khuly Explains "How Do Vets Recommend Pet Food?"
« Reply #11 on: September 24, 2015, 06:36:08 PM »
My personal favorite... a vet recommending an all wet diet AFTER perineal urethrostomy (PU) surgery! 

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Re: Dr. Patty Khuly Explains "How Do Vets Recommend Pet Food?"
« Reply #12 on: September 24, 2015, 06:45:51 PM »
I really needed these links to tweet, but they didn't work. So once I found them, I decided to update it.

And my problem is vets that take the word of these so called "nutritionists" that come in from these companies doing nothing but pushing propaganda. What's worse is when they put down people that have done VAST research from a scientific point of view just because everything the vet says should be done since they went to school.

What Poppycock!
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Re: Dr. Patty Khuly Explains "How Do Vets Recommend Pet Food?"
« Reply #13 on: September 24, 2015, 06:57:14 PM »
I really needed these links to tweet, but they didn't work. So once I found them, I decided to update it.

And my problem is vets that take the word of these so called "nutritionists" that come in from these companies doing nothing but pushing propaganda. What's worse is when they put down people that have done VAST research from a scientific point of view just because everything the vet says should be done since they went to school.

What Poppycock!

I agree.  Thankfully there ARE vets that are not brainwashed by these companies.  More and more are starting to speak out too. 
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Re: Dr. Patty Khuly Explains "How Do Vets Recommend Pet Food?"
« Reply #14 on: September 24, 2015, 06:59:39 PM »
I had a discussion with a vet about the "kooks on the internet."  I mentioned Dr. Elizabeth Hodgkins DVM Esq.  Told him to Google that "kook" sometime.   Silly7
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