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Re: Jennie developing an intolerance to beef?
« Reply #150 on: September 05, 2018, 06:34:13 PM »
Jennie is showing definite improvement, her last two poops (early this morning and sometime before I came home for lunch) were formed firm and no blood.

 But as of tonight she has refused to eat any pork at all.  She's always needed a lot of variety and has been getting more and more reluctant to eat it, until half way through her supper tonight, just like with the cooked, she said No. and I can't blame her for wanting something else.  I'd only just started adding a little beef, so I hope she does okay on it. She'll have it for her bedtime meal tonight and maybe she'll eat pork for breakfast so I can at least slow it down.

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Re: Jennie developing an intolerance to beef?
« Reply #151 on: September 06, 2018, 06:06:05 AM »
She had a bit of diarrhea this morning, but it was to be expected with the sudden addition of beef. She's had beef before of course, but except for tiny pieces here and there, not for a long while, since it's been all pork.  I hope she will eat pork this morning, but if she doesn't it's either the Ziwi venison canned or raw beef, not sure which to use.

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OH HAPPY DAY Jennie ate the blended pork and beef meal. It makes me so sad that she has to be coaxed to come for meals when she's always done her hurry up and feed me song and dance. I miss that so much!

Jennie is still on 2/3 Alnutrin, I think over the weekend I will increase that to full Alnutrin, then start introducing the beef liver next week.  Once she is on fully balanced meals, hopefully pork and beef and liver and Alnutrin, I will begin the poop pills.

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Re: Jennie developing an intolerance to beef?
« Reply #152 on: September 07, 2018, 06:32:39 AM »
Getting Jennie to eat the pork and beef is an on going challenge. This morning I remembered some freeze dried beef hearts I bought a while back kept in reserve for emergencies.  Well if this isn't an emergency I don't know what is!  I hate to add yet another new thing to her diet so quickly but I've got to keep her eating.  this morning a bit of beef heart sprinkled over everything had her hoovering it all up in her old style (pork and beef combined).

Since it's something she's never had before EVER, maybe it won't lose it's charm as quickly.  I've been using forti flora mostly but I hate using that stuff, and I've had to add more and more and more.

Her stools are still soft and frequent (since adding the beef so quickly, before that they were starting to firm up, so I have hope they will again as her body adjusts) but I am not seeing any blood!  I've put her back on the probiotic during all these diet changes.  Before I start the poop pills I will have to stop them again. (When doing the poop pills no other probiotic should be used)

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Re: Jennie developing an intolerance to beef?
« Reply #153 on: September 07, 2018, 06:01:58 PM »
Good news and bad news

Jennie's last two little poops were formed again, the bad news is the blood is back.

Here is the problem I suspect.  I put her back on the probiotic to help her cope with the sudden changes in the diet (jumping right back into almost full beef, plus the addition of freeze dried beef heart, today)

The probiotic is doing the job on firming, but, for some reason is causing irritation leading to blood.  I don't know why this is so, but I do remember it before, any time I tried to increase the probiotic (or the s.boulardii) the blood gets worse.

Tonight Jennie ate a full meal of beef with no enhancements of any kind. Including her Alnutrin (well still with the tiny bit of Ziwi to help the gravy flavor)

She also had Alnutrin at lunch beef and pork, but there was a few bits of the beef heart added.

Bed time wil be beef and pork again, also with Alnutrin, also with the beef heart.

After today I will stop the probiotic again. (I am not counting the Forti Flora as probiotic. It was being used as enhancement only, any probiotic benefit will have long since been expired, if there was any to begin with, FF is not a very good probiotic).

A lot of changes a bit too quickly, so now I will slow down a little..and aim for adding the liver maybe starting Monday.  So, by next weekend she should be fully balanced with (hopefully) two proteins beef and pork, the freeze dried beef heart as enhancement, the beef liver and the Alnutrin for balancing.

No more probiotic after today.

I am aiming for Columbus Day weekend to start the poop pills.  I am off on Friday the 5th so I wil give her the first one I think Thursday night and will have all day Friday to observe her. I wil be gone a long day on Saturday so I may start slow and skip a day and give the next dose Saturday night, then Sunday night.

it is advised to start with one a day working up to twice a day but many go even slower than that. I may even start every other for a week.  We'll see how it goes.

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Re: Jennie developing an intolerance to beef?
« Reply #154 on: September 07, 2018, 06:03:37 PM »
By the way, in case there is any confusion, Jennie is eating thumb sized chunks.  When i say, for instance "beef and pork combined" I mean a mix of chunks of both proteins.

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Re: Jennie developing an intolerance to beef?
« Reply #155 on: September 07, 2018, 09:48:47 PM »
Nothing to add, just listening and sending support and GoodVibes GoodVibes GoodVibes  Hug1 Hug1 Hug1 Hug1
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Re: Jennie developing an intolerance to beef?
« Reply #156 on: September 08, 2018, 09:08:42 AM »
Yep, definitely the probiotic causing the blood as it is back fully again.  Well I'll try not to feel bad for trying it again, because now I know.  However it did have the desired result of firming up the stool during the sudden addition of beef and beef heart.  I'll add the liver slowly enough she won't need the probiotic.

Now that she is on the Alnutrin and raw her coat is getting nicer again.  When she was on the cooked pork and nothing else her coat was getting rough and flaky. Raw is so much better.

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Re: Jennie developing an intolerance to beef?
« Reply #157 on: September 09, 2018, 07:42:08 AM »
Nothing to add, just listening and sending support and GoodVibes GoodVibes GoodVibes  Hug1 Hug1 Hug1 Hug1

Thanks Pookie.

Jennie is starting to hang around a bit more and be interested in food, and this morning she even sang a little bit! bananamiddlechild

She did need a little help to finish her breakfast, leaving one piece of pork and one piece of beef, I used the FD beef heart to help her finish it up.

I have to remember that Jennie prefers larger chunks to many small ones, I keep forgetting and making too many small ones.

Sometime over night or early morning she had a pee and more poop which was fully formed.  Still bloody, but we're going back in the right direction.  Now last time it took several days after I stopped the probiotics before the blood started disappearing. This time she was only on it 3 days before I realized it was the problem.

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Re: Jennie developing an intolerance to beef?
« Reply #158 on: September 15, 2018, 07:04:24 AM »
I called the vet to start setting up diagnostics.  She isn't..worse..but not better either.  Poops are formed but still bloody and she is still having a lot of irritation making her feel like she has to go.  Vet hasn't called me back yet.

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Re: Jennie developing an intolerance to beef?
« Reply #159 on: September 15, 2018, 11:02:19 PM »
Thanks for the update!   fingerscrossed that you get an appointment soon!
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Re: Jennie developing an intolerance to beef?
« Reply #160 on: September 17, 2018, 03:59:17 PM »
Jennie is going in for an x ray tomorrow.

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Re: Jennie developing an intolerance to beef?
« Reply #161 on: September 18, 2018, 04:29:28 PM »
Jennie's x rays dind't show anything serious such as blockages or masses.  The only odd thing (according to the vet) was gas bubbles in her stool, which, vet says, indicates some sort of digestive problem. These would be stools resulting from canned food, as she's been ojn mostly caned for the last 2 days.

Nothing that would show a possible cause for the bloody stool.  I've made Jennie's appointment with the internal medicine specialist, it's not until October 26.

Not sure how to proceed, did ask vet her opinion on the FMT..asked her to think about it and look into it before giving me her opinion.

Vet still seems to think the blood is irritation, small ulcerations in her digestive tract that need more time to heal.

I wish Jennie could take slippery elm bark I am sure that's what she needs, but it makes things worse for her.

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Re: Jennie developing an intolerance to beef?
« Reply #162 on: September 18, 2018, 05:36:33 PM »
Good to have an answer, as far as no blockages or masses.  Hope you find a definite explanation soon!
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Re: Jennie developing an intolerance to beef?
« Reply #163 on: September 19, 2018, 05:49:47 AM »
I've put Jennie back on bone broth, if she will eat it. It's the pork broth I made for her. I'm not happy with her eating so much canned, though she loves it, her poops are clear the room smelly on it.  So I'm going back to just using a small amount to enhance the Alnutrin.  She won't eat chunks of meat at all any more so I do wonder if her teeth are starting to bother her a little.

I'm going to begin adding turkey breast back in and reducing the beef, gradually going off the beef for a bit to see if the irritation is less, with no beef.

Jennie is on fully balanced meals again, and I may decide to go ahead with the FMT (poop pills) since the specialist appointment is so far off. But one change at a time.

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Re: Jennie developing an intolerance to beef?
« Reply #164 on: September 21, 2018, 01:18:28 PM »
I know you keep this thread going for your own notes.  BUT.... I am reading.  HeadButt
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